Andrew Weaver vs Tim Ball - libel case dismissed

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Andrew Weaver would not think twice about SLAPPing anyone around. Amazing there was no coverage of this 3 week trial because before the trial started, a fake news story about it's postponement went out.

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Climatologist Dr. Tim Ball tells Climate Depot: A Canadian judge has dismissed all charges in the lawsuit brought against Dr. Tim Ball by BC Green Party leader Andrew Weaver. A great victory for free speech.
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http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/02/13/alert-canadian-judge-dismissed-all-charges-in-lawsuit-against-skeptical-climatologist-dr-tim-ball/
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Hi Marc:
There are no media reports and my guess is there won’t be any.

At 0930 on the day the trial started we were told there was no judge or courtroom assigned. Amazingly and incorrectly, that information was reported almost immediately on media claiming the trial was postponed. It wasn’t, because by 1100 a judge and courtroom were assigned and the trail began at 1130. The postponement story likely explained why no media attended a single day of the three week trial. The nature of the case that involves a so-called climate change denier will likely also be ignored.


Where is the media on this? Come on you dunderheads! This is a huge story! Evil has been defeated!!

Where is the Michael "hide the decline" Mann/Mark Steyn case right now?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... c08e663b13
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GB, seems to me that the media won't cover anything that remotely disputes 'climate change', lest they be labeled heretics and purveyors of fake news.
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http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local ... 1.23174209



Ball’s article was “rife with errors and inaccuracies” that showed a lack of attention to detail and an indifference to the truth, Skolrood wrote.
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Eco terrorists ply their dogma through fear. Mainstream media sells advertisement by instilling fear. Without fear people will not watch. Have you ever heard something like this:

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Here is a copy of the case. Weaver will appeal apparently.

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm
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Jlabute wrote:Here is a copy of the case. Weaver will appeal apparently.

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm


is he going to use taxpayer dollars to do it? Why not, he's using it for his and Horgan's unholy "secretariat".
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Jlabute wrote:Here is a copy of the case. Weaver will appeal apparently.

http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm

Thanks for posting this.

Interesting to get the part of the story the Times Colonist didn't see fit to share, e.g.:
[78] Second, despite professing to have been “saddened, sickened and dismayed” by the Article, I am not satisfied that Dr. Weaver himself perceived the Article as genuinely threatening his actual reputation. As noted, Dr. Weaver has been actively and publically engaged in the climate change discussion for many years. That included endorsing political candidates who advanced policies he agreed with and opposing candidates with whom he disagreed. It is also quite apparent that he enjoys the “thrust and parry” of that discussion and that he places little stock in opposing views such as those espoused by Dr. Ball, which Dr. Weaver characterized as “odd” and “bizarre”. Dr. Weaver went so far as to post the Article on his “wall of hate” located outside his office, alongside other articles and correspondence from “climate doubters”. It is apparent that he views such material as more of a “badge of honour” than a legitimate challenge to his character or reputation.
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[82] The law of defamation provides an important tool for protecting an individual’s reputation from unjustified attack. However, it is not intended to stifle debate on matters of public interest nor to compensate for every perceived slight or to quash contrary view points, no matter how ill-conceived. Public debate on matters of importance is an essential element of a free and democratic society and lies at the heart of the Charter guarantee of freedom of expression. As Justice Lebel observes, such debate often includes critical and even offensive commentary, which is best met through engagement and well-reasoned rejoinder. It is only when the words used reach the level of genuinely threatening a person’s actual reputation that resort to the law of defamation is available. Such is not the case here.
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[83] In summary, the Article is a poorly written opinion piece that offers Dr. Ball’s views on conventional climate science and Dr. Weaver’s role as a supporter and teacher of that science. While the Article is derogatory of Dr. Weaver, it is not defamatory, in that the impugned words do not genuinely threaten Dr. Weaver’s reputation in the minds of reasonably thoughtful and informed readers. Dr. Weaver has therefore failed to establish the first element of the defamation test.

[84] Given this finding, I need not consider whether Dr. Weaver has established that the Article was published in the sense that it was downloaded and read in BC by anyone other than him. I also need not address the defences raised by Dr. Ball.

Conclusion
[85] Dr. Weaver’s claim is dismissed. If the parties cannot agree on costs, they may make arrangements to speak to the issue.

Appeal? IMO, he should quit while he's ahead. My opinion of Weaver was diminished by reading this ruling (his emails to Ball and his whinging over the published piece), and by his bothering to muck up the courts with this pettiness in the first place. What would an appeal accomplish, other than drawing more people's attention to his whinging and wasting of court time?
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I think that it is fair that the lawsuit was,thrown out for lack of proof of what weaver felt was unfair but the actual idea was solid in terms of climate changes .

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/us/ne ... fuel/95694


A recent study based on 25 years of NASA and European satellite data shows how sea level rise on earth is increasing faster than originally thought. Water levels have been going up by accelerating incrementally in recent decades, rather than in the steady mode past studies had suggested.

Global warming and consequently the rapid ice melt occurring in both Greenland and Antarctica, are responsible for this acceleration. The research project that has brought light to this new finding is led by Steve Nerem, a professor of aerospace engineering science at the University of Colorado Boulder, fellow at the Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES), and a member of NASA´s Sea Level Change team.

Weaver should stick to science
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Bigjohn69 wrote:

Weaver should stick to science.


And stay completely out of politics because he is also totally screwing that up.
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Bigjohn69 wrote:I think that it is fair that the lawsuit was,thrown out for lack of proof of what weaver felt was unfair but the actual idea was solid in terms of climate changes .

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/us/ne ... fuel/95694


A recent study based on 25 years of NASA and European satellite data shows how sea level rise on earth is increasing faster than originally thought. Water levels have been going up by accelerating incrementally in recent decades, rather than in the steady mode past studies had suggested.

Global warming and consequently the rapid ice melt occurring in both Greenland and Antarctica, are responsible for this acceleration. The research project that has brought light to this new finding is led by Steve Nerem, a professor of aerospace engineering science at the University of Colorado Boulder, fellow at the Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES), and a member of NASA´s Sea Level Change team.

Weaver should stick to science

It's not up to the courts to judge any of this. Funny how the Times Colonist made it appear Skolrood had done that. Reading the actual judgement shows that was their spin, not the his.

Bad enough science is being "settled" by popular opinion. Now Weaver wants it to be determined in our courts? IMO, this shows no respect for our courts, and does a dreadful disservice to science. He can't handle being told he's wrong? Snort. When any scientist objects to robust efforts to disprove the theory, I have trouble taking anything he teaches about science seriously.

Weaver needs to quit wasting the court's time with this hooey nonsense.
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Bigjohn69 wrote:Global warming and consequently the rapid ice melt occurring in both Greenland and Antarctica, are responsible for this acceleration.

The ice sheets are NOT melting. In fact, Greenland is currently at the average (after having been at record levels at this time last year)...

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Regionally ice may be more plentiful in some places at times, but globally, Ice levels are on a decline. Last year was the lowest ever recorded global sea ice levels.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... -recorded/
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^^I'd suggest this is exactly why Weaver brought his suit.

Defamed, my fanny.

Bad enough they have folks attempting to "settle" science on public forums, now he wants to tangle up our court system doing it, too.
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Omnitheo wrote:Regionally ice may be more plentiful in some places at times, but globally, Ice levels are on a decline. Last year was the lowest ever recorded global sea ice levels.

By ice sheets, I meant ice caps, the ice on land. Sea ice is in decline, but land ice is not. But that makes sense since it's warmer at sea level than 2000m above sea level. The ice will continue to grow in Antarctic and Greenland until Kelowna is experiencing 45 degree weather in the summer.
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