Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 2:17 pm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... e38200537/
There are at least two Canadian politicians who need to stop procrastinating on this fish farm file, IMHO: Donaldson and LeBlanc.
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby rustled » Mar 5th, 2018, 2:46 pm

Hm.
Natural Resources Minister Doug Donaldson has said the province is working with First Nations, the aquaculture industry and the federal government as it reviews the fish-farm tenures, many of which come up for renewal this June.
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Fisheries Minister Dominic LeBlanc said in a statement that the Canadian government is committed to regulating a responsible and sustainable aquaculture sector.

"We understand Canadians' concerns around aquaculture and are committed to science and evidence-based decision making," LeBlanc said.

He added that the government is convening a panel, announced Feb. 5, on the appropriate use and consideration of scientific evidence as it relates to aquaculture regulation.

He also pointed to a $24-million investment in the Aquaculture Sustainability Program, which aims to streamline regulation, improve regulatory management and increase scientific knowledge of the sector.

I see nothing objectionable in here. Looks to me like cooperation and cautious use of resources. Science-based policy decisions.

What, precisely, do you want Donaldson and LeBlanc to do?

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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 4:00 pm

rustled wrote:Hm.
Natural Resources Minister Doug Donaldson has said the province is working with First Nations, the aquaculture industry and the federal government as it reviews the fish-farm tenures, many of which come up for renewal this June.
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Fisheries Minister Dominic LeBlanc said in a statement that the Canadian government is committed to regulating a responsible and sustainable aquaculture sector.

"We understand Canadians' concerns around aquaculture and are committed to science and evidence-based decision making," LeBlanc said.

He added that the government is convening a panel, announced Feb. 5, on the appropriate use and consideration of scientific evidence as it relates to aquaculture regulation.

He also pointed to a $24-million investment in the Aquaculture Sustainability Program, which aims to streamline regulation, improve regulatory management and increase scientific knowledge of the sector.

I see nothing objectionable in here. Looks to me like cooperation and cautious use of resources. Science-based policy decisions.

What, precisely, do you want Donaldson and LeBlanc to do?


They should be doing their jobs.Those floating fish farms should never have been allowed in the first place. There have been so many 'accidents' over the past couple of decades that other jurisdictions around the world have banned them long ago. The first one that comes to mind is Chile, but I'm sure you can do the research if you find it necessary.
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby rustled » Mar 5th, 2018, 5:35 pm

Cactusflower wrote:They should be doing their jobs.Those floating fish farms should never have been allowed in the first place. There have been so many 'accidents' over the past couple of decades that other jurisdictions around the world have banned them long ago. The first one that comes to mind is Chile, but I'm sure you can do the research if you find it necessary.

So to clarify, you want Donaldson and LeBlanc to ban ocean fish farms, and nothing less will satisfy you that they are doing their jobs.

Yes, of course I'd like to see factual, science-based evidence that banning ocean fish farms is necessary. As the one who wants to change policy, it's your responsibility to show it's necessary. You've been unable to provide the evidence to support this action in another thread. Are you able to provide it here?

Until then, I will continue to support what Donaldson and LeBlanc are doing, as described in the news story. To my mind, it would be irresponsible for them to react to alarmist propaganda. To my mind, it is not their job to pander to alarmists who are unable to provide science-based evidence to support their case.

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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 5:50 pm

^^It's their job to see that the Cohen Commission recommendations are implemented. The Cohen Report was released in 2012 and very few have been addressed, most notably ignored is the one that refers to salmon farm licences.
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby rustled » Mar 5th, 2018, 5:54 pm

Cactusflower wrote:^^It's their job to see that the Cohen Commission recommendations are implemented. The Cohen Report was released in 2012 and very few have been addressed, most notably ignored is the one that refers to salmon farm licences.

So you are NOT telling us they should immediately enact a ban on ocean fish farms?
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 6:19 pm

rustled wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:^^It's their job to see that the Cohen Commission recommendations are implemented. The Cohen Report was released in 2012 and very few have been addressed, most notably ignored is the one that refers to salmon farm licences.

So you are NOT telling us they should immediately enact a ban on ocean fish farms?


Are you being deliberately obtuse? What I'm saying is, DFO has had six long years to address the issues brought up in the Cohen Commission report, one of which was the Atlantic salmon farms. Instead of curtailing licences, there have been hundreds more approved. This is unacceptable.
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby rustled » Mar 5th, 2018, 6:28 pm

Cactusflower wrote:
rustled wrote:So you are NOT telling us they should immediately enact a ban on ocean fish farms?


Are you being deliberately obtuse? What I'm saying is, DFO has had six long years to address the issues brought up in the Cohen Commission report, one of which was the Atlantic salmon farms. Instead of curtailing licences, there have been hundreds more approved. This is unacceptable.

The Cohen report did not recommend an immediate ban on ocean fish farms.

So, I'm asking again: are you, or are you NOT, calling for an immediate ban on ocean fish farms?
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 6:51 pm

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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby rustled » Mar 5th, 2018, 7:17 pm

We are allowed to ask posters to clarify what they've posted. I'm asking you to do that, please.

In this thread, you've stated you want Donaldson and LeBlanc to do their job, and for you this means they should implement the recommendations of the Cohen report.

You seem to feel this would mean they would implement a ban on ocean fish farms. And yet this is not a recommendation of the Cohen report. (Feel free to correct me if this is not what you believe.) You also seem to feel a full ban should be implemented immediately (again, feel free to correct me if this is not what you want), and yet you've been unwilling to provide us with good evidence to support changing public policy to ban ocean fish farms.

I'm not sure you understand what the Cohen report actually does recommend, or why some of those recommendations are not playing out on the timeline you would prefer. The issues the Cohen report addressed are fairly complex, and as the Cohen report explains, there's not a lot of data with which to support evidence-based decisions.
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Re: Canadian consequences from WA's fish farm ban

Postby Cactusflower » Mar 5th, 2018, 10:31 pm

See my last reply on the B.C. 'game meat' thread. If you wish to discuss anything further with me, you'll have to do it on another public opinion forum.
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