A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, except a Nazi

[Pete Podoski]

Nazi stripped of citizenship

The Canadian Press - Sep 27, 2018 / 12:45 pm | Story: 237693

A government decision to strip Canadian citizenship from an elderly man, who argued he was forced as a teenager to join a Nazi death squad, was reasonable, a Federal Court judge ruled on Thursday.

In a ruling that again paves the way to deport Helmut Oberlander, Judge Michael Phelan found the government's decision more than a year ago to have been justified and transparent.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/23 ... itizenship

I.M.O., the guy should have identified as an I.S.I.S. terrorist.

[techrtr]

But an avowed terrorist incarcerated in Milhaven was given his citizenship back by True Dope. Go figure, but then again, what would you expect from a guy who gave another terrorist $10 million?

[Brass Monkey]

Nazi stripped of citizenship

The Canadian Press - Sep 27, 2018 / 12:45 pm | Story: 237693

A government decision to strip Canadian citizenship from an elderly man, who argued he was forced as a teenager to join a Nazi death squad, was reasonable, a Federal Court judge ruled on Thursday.

In a ruling that again paves the way to deport Helmut Oberlander, Judge Michael Phelan found the government's decision more than a year ago to have been justified and transparent.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/23 ... itizenship

I.M.O., the guy should have identified as an I.S.I.S. terrorist.

You need to be a Canadian born citizen to avoid deportation. This Nazi is not, Omar Khadr and the other 60 isis fighters are.

[normaM]

Betting there were lots more Nazis who lied to get into Canada, most prolly have passed on now.

[TreeGuy]

The guy is 94 years old! Does he pose a security risk? Send him back to a country where he likely has no friends or family to be with him in his final years? Doesn’t make sense to me.

[Pete Podoski]

The guy is 94 years old! Does he pose a security risk? Send him back to a country where he likely has no friends or family to be with him in his final years? Doesn’t make sense to me.

It's easy to deport a white, Anglo Saxon. It is virtue signalling at its finest.

If that same person were not a W.A.S.P., the Trudeau government would see no political points with their support base for taking action.

If circumstances dictate that this fellow should be deported and stripped of citizenship, then by all means, do so. But those criteria need to be applied consistently, even to Trudeau's pet projects.

[mexi cali]

The guy is 94 years old! Does he pose a security risk? Send him back to a country where he likely has no friends or family to be with him in his final years? Doesn’t make sense to me.

HArdly the point. What is the point is that he was a Nazi with all that comes with it. His age is irrelevant. What he was a part of is very relevant.

He should have been gone years ago or better yet, never came here in the first place.

[fvkasm2x]

He should have been gone years ago or better yet, never came here in the first place.

You do realize right, that an estimated 60% of the Nazi army was forced to be there under threat of violence, right?

As in if they didn't join up, they'd be shot and killed or have their families shot in front of them?

With your moral superiority, are you telling me you'd sacrifice your family and have them all shot, just to stand up for the right cause for a total of 5 minutes?

[normaM]

60% would have meant there wouldn't have been much of an Army. Bet it was an idle threat
Sounds like an excuse for the horrors the Nazis committed
Says in this that there was no cases of people being threatened if they didn't join
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zsshhyc
"At the end of his speech, Trapp said that those who did not want to take part, could step aside. Of the 500 men standing there that day only fifteen chose to opt out of the killing. The rest went on to massacre all the Jewish women, children and elderly people in the village."
but this thread isn't about that, it is about a Nazi being returned to the motherland

[fvkasm2x]

60% would have meant there wouldn't have been much of an Army. Bet it was an idle threat
Sounds like an excuse for the horrors the Nazis committed
Says in this that there was no cases of people being threatened if they didn't join
but this thread isn't about that, it is about a Nazi being returned to the motherland

That article is so contradictory, I don't even know where to begin.

Major Wilhelm Trapp, stood up in front of the gathered men. As he began to speak they noticed he had tears in his eyes.

This leads us to infer that he didn't want to do this, but he had to... because he was following orders. Why else would he be crying when giving the order? He knew it was wrong but still had to do it?

Of the 500 men standing there that day only fifteen chose to opt out of the killing.

So 15 people are reported to have refused to kill innocent people, but we aren't supposed to believe that people weren't forced to do things they didn't want to.

Many perpetrators were never investigated. The sheer number of people involved made it logistically impossible.

So it's possible they don't have all the information, because there were too many people to investigate and it's also possible that people who refused, were dead.

Presenting themselves as refugees from communist regimes, they were rarely questioned about their wartime activities.

So our data is incomplete.

But after the war, some people used this to excuse their actions. They said that they were just following orders – and were too scared of the consequences to disobey.

So they said it... but we don't believe it?



I'll stop now. Either you get my point, or you never will.

It's documented in many places that armies like the Germans and Russians killed thousands of their own deserters or dissenters.

[GordonH]

He should have been gone years ago or better yet, never came here in the first place.

You do realize right, that an estimated 60% of the Nazi army was forced to be there under threat of violence, right?

As in if they didn't join up, they'd be shot and killed or have their families shot in front of them?

With your moral superiority, are you telling me you'd sacrifice your family and have them all shot, just to stand up for the right cause for a total of 5 minutes?

Every soldier that was forced to join the third reich/Hitler's army (unwilling) had every opportunity to go AWOL during their deployment.
Knowing how large German army was at the time, not many took that route.

[Gilchy]

We really still going with the "just following orders" defence here?

[fvkasm2x]

Every soldier that was forced to join the third reich/Hitler's army (unwilling) had every opportunity to go AWOL during their deployment.
Knowing how large German army was at the time, not many took that route.

Easier said than done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 69e24d105e

Of an estimated 22,500 German soldiers sentenced to death for desertion, approximately 15,000 were shot or guillotined. More than 5,000 others were condemned for "defeatism" or "subversion of national defense," offenses that included denouncing Adolf Hitler or decrying the war. Of those who escaped execution, all but a few hundred perished in prison or have died in the five decades since the war ended.

[Glacier]

You need to be a Canadian born citizen to avoid deportation. This Nazi is not, Omar Khadr and the other 60 isis fighters are.

Wrong. When Trudeau (peace be upon him) declared that a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, he was not talking about country of birth, but rather every terrorist Canadian born abroad.

https://news.vice.com/article/a-canadia ... itizenship

Trudeau said he's "envious" of new Canadians because they "got to choose Canada".

"The idea that we would say that we'll give you your citizenship, but for the rest of your life you have to be on your best behavior ... that principle that says the government can decide what you did means you no longer get to be Canadian is a very, very scary one," he said

[Jlabute]

So, we want to deport all Nazis? A Nazi is just a socialist party member. This could really work out for Scheer.