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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 24th, 2012, 1:46 am

And what is the point in banning certain kinds of guns when a criminal can just go buy it very easily on the black market? Is there not already a ban on fully automatic weapons in the US?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 24th, 2012, 2:03 am

The AR15 is a semi-automatic, right?

So was my .22 on the farm.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby normaM » Dec 24th, 2012, 6:31 am

It's a giggle that people who own guns don't want their particular firearm banned, just ones that they don't have... to me total ban or let it be last man standing. No one needs a gun for anything- target practice? You can hardly hit the toilet and park on the lines at lots. Hunting? Use a bow and arrow or a knife, or be manly- bare hands. Skeet shooting? If you like to see a lil disk blow up toss a CD in the air, then get it with a rock.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 24th, 2012, 10:40 am

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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 24th, 2012, 10:47 am

Some guns have a legitimate purpose, farmers protecting livestock, people who hunt for food (not just for fun or trophy), people who work in the bush and need protection from predators. If a person lived in a high crime neighborhood, you migh even make a case for protecting person (less so perhaps for protecting property). People don't need guns solely for target shooting, paint ball guns would accomplish about as much fun. People don't need guns that are capable of killing 26 people in a matter of minutes (except possibly swat or military). Even the 2nd amendment could be satisfied with ordinary weapons, it gives them the right to bear arms for a certain purpose, not unlimited types of arms for whatever purpose someone thinks of. Weren't they supposed to be to prevent the government from taking over? So other uses are not condoned by the 2nd amendment it seems. The Swiss have a standing militia but I don't think they allow this high capacity guns that seem to cause so much damage. Would it be a terrible imposition to limit the more dangerous high capacity types of weapons at least? I should think you could get most people to endorse some kind of restrictions if not an outright ban. The only discussion really needs to be on which guns, and which people.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 24th, 2012, 10:58 am

Silverstarqueen wrote:Would it be a terrible imposition to limit the more dangerous high capacity types of weapons at least?


What is this high capacity type of a weapon are you talking about? Full auto guns have been outlawed decades ago, and semi auto rifles are not that different from hunting rifles.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby steelrules » Dec 25th, 2012, 11:43 am

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... et-Service

Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.
The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.

If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.

The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby oneh2obabe » Dec 25th, 2012, 11:49 am

You'll find most children of diplomats, high level executives, royalty, prominent newscasters, etc. send their child to this type of school. Imagine the demands that would be made if one of these children were kidnapped on the way home from school.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby GenuinelyInterested » Dec 25th, 2012, 7:35 pm

Don't you think that having an "Armed Guard" in a school could be counter productive?

If an assailant was to hit a guard from behind, with a baseball bat, and take that man's gun to kill other children would that NOT be considered a "Risk" rather than a "liability"?
Have we in our earnest for security now just caused a liability.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 25th, 2012, 10:13 pm

Put the armed guards in schools, and the next massacre will be at a hospital. Put guards at the hospital, and the next massacre will be at a local restaurant...I was walking through Orchard Park mall the other day and thought - boy, if I pulled out a shotgun right now the body count would be in dozens. Especially if I have a suppressor on it.

Armed guards even if highly trained are not a solution.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby steelrules » Dec 26th, 2012, 3:57 am

You never hear of a crazed lunatic shootin up a gun show do ya?
So yeah an armed citizenry is the answer.
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