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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby jennylives » Jan 15th, 2013, 9:05 pm

Several laws are being proposed. Joe Biden is heading up a task force to come up with a set of comprehensive laws too that has not been released (I believe it comes out tomorrow). I'm aware of Feinstein's proposal. My point is nothing is set in stone yet. The discussion is just beginning and many ideas will be put out there.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Jan 15th, 2013, 9:10 pm

jennylives wrote:Several laws are being proposed.


And all of them address mostly weapons responsible for less than 2% of gun violence in US, and do nothing to address the other 98%.

Yay, democracy works! Kinda...
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby jennylives » Jan 15th, 2013, 9:17 pm

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... lture-does

In addition, unintentional firearm deaths in the U.S. were more than five times higher than in the other countries. Among these 23 countries, the U.S. accounted for 80 percent of all firearm deaths; 87 percent of all children under 15 killed by firearms were American children. In 2005, 5,285 U.S. children were killed by gunshot compared with 57 in Germany and none in Japan—a country with some of the toughest gun controls in the world. In America, people who live in houses with guns are more likely to be killed. Homes with guns are 12 times more likely to have household members or guests killed or injured by the weapon than by an intruder.


Mass killings are only part of the gun problem. Easy access is another. That's quite a few dead kids. At least their parents still have the right to buy more guns, so they have that going for them.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby steelrules » Jan 16th, 2013, 9:10 am

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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby kibbs » Jan 16th, 2013, 9:23 am

Several laws are being proposed. Joe Biden is heading up a task force to come up with a set of comprehensive laws

here comes the glock block
it is crazy how people who were involved are being threatened for fabricating the story to implement gun control
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby steelrules » Jan 18th, 2013, 11:22 am

Rasmussen Poll, 65% see gun rights as protection against tyranny.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... st_tyranny
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby steelrules » Jan 19th, 2013, 12:38 pm

More gun grabber insanity.

Pennsylvania girl, 5, suspended for threatening to shoot girl with pink toy gun that blows soapy bubbles


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/19/pe ... z2IS4wOV4D
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby SurplusElect » Jan 20th, 2013, 1:26 pm

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... .htm#86141

A teenage boy fatally shot two adults and three children inside a New Mexico home, authorities said Sunday.Investigators were trying to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home. One was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.


Funny that the teenager didn't use a hammer, kitchen knife or a bag of manure.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/18 ... -washroom/

School hires armed security guard in wake of Sandy Hook shooting. Guard promptly forgets gun in washroom


Speaks for itself.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby WTTG » Jan 20th, 2013, 2:53 pm

SurplusElect wrote:Speaks for itself.


Yep. All those guns and it seems no one was able to grab one and use it to save themself.

Yep.
NRA-approved security measures . . ..

Lucky there were no gun grabbers hanging out in the washroom at the time.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Glacier » Jan 20th, 2013, 4:52 pm

You can talk anecdotal evidence all you want, but the fact remains armed guards work more often than they don't. There's a reason large sums of money be transported with armed guards. The reason why armed guards in schools is a bad idea is because 1) it's too costly, 2) school shootings are extremely rare, and 3) it sounds scary.

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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby GenuinelyInterested » Jan 20th, 2013, 5:13 pm

The dumb lobby: Five injured at US gun shows as protest day backfires
21 Jan 2013 00:00
America's gun lobby shot itself in the foot as the Gun Appreciation Day events was marred by misfiring weapons

Deadly: Pro-gun activist in Salt Lake City
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America's gun lobby shot itself in the foot when five people were wounded at firearms shows.

The Gun Appreciation Day events were led by campaigners who want to stop new arms controls in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre.

But as their supporters paraded round with weapons and placards at the weekend, the rallies misfired.

Three people were injured in Raleigh, North Carolina, at the Dixie Gun and Knife Show when a 12-gauge shotgun went off as its owner unzipped its case for a police officer at the security entrance.

Shotgun pellets hit two bystanders and they were taken to hospital.

A retired deputy sheriff also suffered a slight hand injury.

Fired up: A woman displays her rifle to fellow demonstrators
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The gun’s owner, Gary Wilson, 36, had taken the weapon along to find a buyer.

In Indianapolis, a 54-year-old man was injured when he accidentally shot himself while leaving a gun show.

Emory Cozee was loading his .45 calibre semi-automatic as he made his way home. Loaded personal weapons were not allowed in the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife Show.

In Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking a semi-­automatic handgun he had just bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend.

The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but there was a round left in the chamber.

The bullet ricocheted off the floor and struck the friend in the arm and leg.

Earlier organisers of Gun Appreciation Day had urged Americans to: “Go to your local gun store, gun range or gun show with your Constitution, American flags and your ‘Hands off my Guns’ sign to send a loud and clear message.”

President Barack Obama has called for action in the wake of last month’s shooting at Newtown, Connecticut, which left 27 people dead, 20 of them children age seven or younger.

Gun shows in the US reported brisk business over the weekend.

Placard: Protestor in Phoenix, Arizona
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Crowds queued to get into the West gun show in Phoenix with customers panic buying weapons and ammunition before new rules are brought in.

One shopper, Matthew Spinzl, 25, said: “If the ban goes in, this is the last chance to buy the gun I want to buy.”

He wanted an AR-15 rifle, the type of gun used in the mass killing.

People had to check in weapons with security at the show but there were three-hour long queues in an area of the showground where ammunition was sold at ­wholesale prices.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... un-1547196
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby WTTG » Jan 20th, 2013, 5:59 pm

Glacier wrote:You can talk anecdotal evidence all you want, but the fact remains armed guards work more often than they don't. There's a reason large sums of money be transported with armed guards. The reason why armed guards in schools is a bad idea is because 1) it's too costly, 2) school shootings are extremely rare, and 3) it sounds scary.


“1)Too costly.”
(Wayne LaPierre, NRA) . . . asked Congress for money to put a police officer in every school. He also said the NRA would co-ordinate a national effort to put former military and police officers in schools as volunteer guards.


http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-84991-5-.htm#84991

“2)Extremely rare.” Yet the NRA would like to use this tragedy as part of a means to an end.

“3)It sounds scary.” Isn’t that the deterrent the NRA is seeking?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Jan 20th, 2013, 8:32 pm

Investigators were trying to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home. One was a semi-automatic military-style rifle.


Isn't that a bit wordy?

Can we just replace it with "scary"?

"Investigators were trying to determine who owned several guns that were found at the home, one of which was scary." - see, much easier to say and publish.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Jan 20th, 2013, 8:35 pm

GenuinelyInterested wrote:The dumb lobby: Five injured at US gun shows as protest day backfires


In a country with 300,000,000 firearms and 80,000,000 gun owners, the number of accidental gun fatalities is about 600 per year.
With far less bicycles, we have over 700 bicycle-related fatalities per year.

OMG, let`s totally ban all the bicycles, especially the ones that are designed for one purpose - go fast and KILL KILL KILL! Media is missing out on such a juicy story - more dangerous items stored without regulations and accessible to every kid!
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby RichardW » Jan 21st, 2013, 12:08 am

How do the numbers look if you take deliberate fatalities for guns vs bicycles?
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