Tic toc . . . tic toc . . . Israel

[kibbs]

Hatred for each other is so inherit in people from the middle east,the wounds are so deep they cannot forget long enough to forgive.Some one should invent an amnesia bomb and bomb the crap out of the middle east.

[Thinktank]

If you ask Sobrohusfat he'll say the Palestinians teach their children to hate. Some Israelis even say
the Palestinians hate their own children. But from the video I saw once about the way Israel
hogs all the water, I think the Palestinians hate injustice, and the Israelis hate the idea of being fair.

[kibbs]

I think the Palestinians hate injustice, and the Israelis hate the idea of being fair.

Were you scammed by some Hebrew hucksters?

[Thinktank]

Were you scammed by some Hebrew hucksters?

But even if I never got scammed, I hate the way Bush/Rumsfeld scammed
300 million Americans into paying for a immoral war. And I hate the way Israel does things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_CKL5h ... r_embedded

Norman G. Finkelstein: What happened with the Gaza flotilla was not an accident. You have to remember that the Israeli cabinet met for fully a week. All the cabinet ministers discussed and deliberated how they would handle the flotilla. There were numerous reports in the Israeli press, numerous suggestions, numerous recommendations about what to do. At the end of the day, they decided on a nighttime armed commando raid on a humanitarian convoy. Israel is now a lunatic state. It's a lunatic state with between two and three hundred nuclear devices. It is threatening war daily against Iran and against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hezbollah in Lebanon has already stated on several occasions: if Israel attacks it will retaliate in kind. Things are getting out of control. We have to ask ourselves a simple, basic, fundamental question: can a lunatic state like Israel be trusted with two to three hundred nuclear devices when it is now threatening its neighbors Iran and Lebanon with an attack?

[sobrohusfat]

LOL. Well you and your type just go ahead and keep wet dreaming about putting those nasty "lunatic" jooz back in their place big guy.

[kibbs]

Jew bashing in western Canada whoulda thunk.It is the black man who is there muscle right ? oops forgot my hood .Who's the grand dragon of this thread?

[Thinktank]

LOL. Well you and your type ....

you mean Norman Finkelstein? The guy just tells the truth from what I can see. I don't think
he'sinterested in putting people in their place. That's a immature attitude. I'm quite
sure Finkelstein is interested in telling the truth.

[Thinktank]

Jew bashing in western Canada whoulda thunk.

Norman Finkelstein does not Jew bashing. He's one of the few people who are honest
and tells the truth about Israel - not to bash anyone - (which would be childish) but so
the idiots who run that country can learn how to do things properly, honestly.

Later I will tell you what Tzipi Livni did - not to bash anyone - but to show how people in control
of a country can be insane. USA had some real dumb insane people in control too.

[sobrohusfat]

you mean Norman Finkelstein? The guy just tells the truth from what I can see. I don't think
he'sinterested in putting people in their place. That's a immature attitude. I'm quite
sure Finkelstein is interested in telling the truth.

No, not like poor well meaning American liberal Norm. You shouldn't pretend to be interested in "telling the truth" in one instance while at the same time trampling on, then skipping over it in another. But like the twisted zionist bashing rabbis, Finklestein also makes an obviously useful hero to the Israel haters.

[sobrohusfat]

Palestinians desecrate Jewish holy site
Thursday, January 24, 2013 | Israel Today

Jewish worshippers visiting the tomb of the biblical patriarch Joseph in the Palestinian-controlled town of Nablus (Shechem) on Wednesday were shocked to find the holy site severely desecrated. The group of some 2,500 Jewish pilgrims told Israel's Maariv newspaper that Jewish holy books at the site had been burned, furniture smashed, the smell of urine was abundant, and there was evidence of an effort to burn down the structure.

"Only barbarians would do horrible things like this to such a holy site," local Jewish leader Gershon Mesika told the newspaper. "Israel can no longer allow its holy places to be freely desecrated."

Joseph's Tomb is situated on the outskirts of Nablus, a large Arab-dominated town that occupies the location of biblical Shechem. Until the outbreak of the Second Intifada in 2000, Israel maintained an IDF-protected enclave around the tomb, providing Jewish worshippers with free and uninterrupted access. But when the tomb was besieged by Palestinian mobs and an IDF soldier was killed defending the site in late 2000, Israel agreed to cede control to the Palestinian Authority with guarantees that the holy place would be protected.

Not hours after Israel evacuated, a Palestinian mob was permitted to storm and raze Joseph's Tomb.

Jewish groups periodically visit the site under army protection, and have restored much of the damage, but the tomb is regularly desecrated by local Palestinians. The international community has been completely silent regarding this ongoing hate crime and the lack of religious freedom afforded Jews who wish to pray at this biblical landmark.

Thats what they get for allowing a "Palestinian Authority" to exist within their borders in the first place.

[Thinktank]

Finklestein also makes an obviously useful hero to the Israel haters.

If they don't want to be hated, don't put a wild-man in government.
Tzipi Livni sounds *bleep* and sadistic when she says going wild is a GOOD THING.
Then again, her father was a terrorist.



This is the same Livni who, in discussing Israel’s assault on Gaza, said that Israel “is a country that when you fire on its citizens it responds by going wild – and this is a good thing.” This statement, among others, was highlighted in the UN Goldstone report as crucial to understanding why there was such “massive destruction of businesses, agricultural land, chicken farms and residential houses” in Gaza.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/daily-bea ... sault.html

[sobrohusfat]

If they don't want to be hated...yadda yadda blerth...

I know, I know, your only concern is for "the truth" and seeking justice for the oppressed... still, try not to get too aroused by this guy.

This is the same Livni who, in discussing Israel’s assault on Gaza, said that Israel “is a country that when you fire on its citizens it responds by going wild – and this is a good thing.” This statement, among others, was highlighted in the UN Goldstone report as crucial to understanding why there was such “massive destruction of businesses, agricultural land, chicken farms and residential houses” in Gaza.

Well then don't start firing on its citizens and you should be just fine. simple as that.

Instead, why not pack a nice picnic of hummus and falafel and spend another peaceful day at the beach amongst all that warm Zionist skin.

[Thinktank]

try not to get too aroused by this guy.

Why would anyone get aroused by it?

Who is Muhammad Ya'qub?
Why does he say this: “I Wish I Could Bite off the Heads of Jews with My Teeth”
Does he have a lot of Muslims all over the world who agree with him?
Or is he just some freak who makes videos for those 'Muslim-jihad-terrorism' websites that Sobro gets aroused by?

I have no clue who that Muslim cleric - Ya'qub - is, or why Sobro posted his video?
Does he have a lot of Muslims all over the world who agree with him? Or what?

[sobrohusfat]

MORE GOOD NEWS!

Israel declares water crisis is over
Israel Today - Monday, February 04, 2013

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Israel's Water Authority on Monday officially declared the national water crisis to be over, and lifted its "severe drought advisory." "The water crisis is over" and the situation is stable, but Israelis must not become complacent lest the nation find itself in a drought situation again, stated Water Authority Head Alexander Kushner.

Israel has suffered from dryer than usual winters for the past seven years, resulting in an overdraft of its national reservoirs, in particular the Sea of Galilee. But, heavy winters rains and snow this year, combined with increased desalination efforts and conservatory behavior on the part of the public, has brought the Sea of Galilee to within two meters (six feet) of its capacity. Experts believe the lake will fill the rest of the way when the winter snow atop the Golan Heights melts later this year.

Over the past seven dry years, Israel established three large desalination plants along its Mediterranean coast that today provide the nation with nearly half of its drinking water.

Two more plants are scheduled to come online in the near future.

[Glacier]

According to the Islamic doctrine of tawhid, or “oneness,” every country where even a single Muslim lives must be brought under Islamic rule; Muslims should not be ruled by infidels since, as the Koran says, “You [Muslims] are the best nation.” Islam also demands that every country that becomes part of Dar al-Islam, the “house of Islam,” remain so forever. Finally, Islam demands that areas without any Muslims be brought under Islamic rule, because it is an insult to Allah that some countries are not ruled in his name.

Hence, Israel is a triple insult to Islam: it should be Islamic because the whole world belongs to Allah, because it has Muslim inhabitants, and because it was conquered by the Umma in 636. That last reason was stressed by Osama bin Laden, who demanded that every nation that has ever fallen to Islam return to Islam. In 1994 the al Qaeda leader declared, “The banner of jihad is raised up high to restore to our umma…. Every stolen Islamic land, from Palestine to Al-Andalus [Spain] and other Islamic lands that were lost.”

Consequently it is simply impossible for Islam to tolerate Israel’s existence. There can be no compromise or accommodation. Israel is a thorn in the side of the Islamic body that must be destroyed.

Islam also regards Jewish control of Jerusalem as a mortal insult. Although it is claimed that the city is Islam’s third holiest after Mecca and Medina, Islam’s theological connection to Jerusalem is weak. The city is not mentioned anywhere in the Koran, in contrast to the hundreds of references to it found in the Bible. Furthermore, there is no proof that Muhammad ever set foot in Jerusalem, although it’s possible he visited the city in his young, pre-prophetic days when he accompanied his wife Khadija’s trading caravans to Syria.

Islam’s theological claim to the city stems from a Koranic verse and various Islamic traditions relating that Muhammad once traveled from Mecca seated on a Buraq, a winged horse with a woman’s face, which took him to the Masjid al-Aqsa, “the Farthest Mosque.” From there, Muhammad ascended into heaven fro an audience with Allah before the Buraq returned him to Mecca. The next morning, Muhammad told the Meccans he had taken a long journey on a winged horse with a woman’s face. Unsurprisingly, the Meccans said he was crazy and complained about the absurd story to Abu Makr, later the first Caliph, who simply replied that if Muhammad said it was true, it had to be true.

The Koran never specifies the location of the “Farthest Mosque,” but Islamic traditions soon identified it as Jerusalem. However, there were no mosques in Jerusalem in 620, the year of Muhammad’s supposed night visit. In fact, there weren’t any mosque anywhere –the first mosque was built iin Medina in 622. Nevertheless, when the Arabs conquered Jerusalem in 636, they sought out the mythical “Furthest Mosque.” Failing to find it, they proclaimed that it must have stood on the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism, where the first two Jewish temples had been located.

Building the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount along with a shrine (the Dome of the Rock), the Muslims in typical Islamic fashion claimed the Jews’ holiest site for themselves. The mosque was transformed into a church after the Crusaders liberated Jerusalem from Islamic rule in 1099, then back into a mosque after Saladin recaptured the city for Islam in 1187. When the Israelis finally liberated Jerusalem’s Old City in 1967, they left the Temple Mount under Islamic rule, even enforcing a ban on prayer by non-Muslim visitors. This, then, is the consequence of Muhammad’s widely disbelieved story of visiting a non-existent mosque on a flying horse with a woman’s face – 1,400 years later, Israel prevents Jews from praying at their own holiest site.

Despite Israel’s groveling to Islamic sensitivites in a manner that Islam does not reciprocate toward other faiths (non-Muslims are not even allowed to enter Mecca), the Jewish state’s gestures have not made the Umma respect Israel. The mere fact that the Temple Mount, and indeed any part of Israel, remains under Jewish sovereignty is considered an unforgivable affront to Islam.

Just as Muhammad’s revelation blamed the Muslim’s loss in the Battle of Mount Uhud on their disobedience to him and their greed for loot, so too Islam attributes its string of humiliating military defeats by Israel to Allah’s anger over Muslims’ sinfulness. The Umma can only redeem itself by annulling the defeats with the blood of jihadi martyrdom. A negotiated two-state solution is out of the question.

Islamic regimes want the Palestinians to stay in refugee camps for generations until the agonizing stain of defeat has been atoned fro with a final, decisive victory over Israel and the liquidation of the Jews there. I, on the other hand, would like to see there refugees permanently settled in their own homeland, so they can start anew. That’s why I drew up a proposal to consider Jordan as the Palestinian homeland and to allow the “refugees” to voluntarily resettle there. My suggestion was condemned throughout the Islamic world, including in Jordan, despite the fact that as late as 1981 Jordan’s King Hussein admitted that “Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan,” and that in March 1971, the Palestine National Council stated that “what links Jordan to Palestine is a national bond…formed, since time immemorial, by history and culture.

What Islam demands for the Palestinians is not peace or freedom or opportunity, but revenge for the insult of losing to the Jews. Until the international community acknowledges this reality, all their peace proposals are doomed to fail.

~ Geert Wilders