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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Nebula » Feb 18th, 2013, 7:44 pm

Graham Adder wrote:My apologies...the pigs only killed one...the other one lived miraculously.
Not that they didn't try very hard to kill her too though.

That you call cops 'pigs' shows where your mindset is.

As for killing one, I believe that is as yet undecided.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not use reason to arrive at.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby baconbits » Feb 18th, 2013, 8:21 pm

Perhaps cause he was suspecting of being a cop killer...
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 18th, 2013, 9:17 pm

Graham Adder wrote:My apologies...the pigs only killed one...the other one lived miraculously.
Not that they didn't try very hard to kill her too though.

Pigs? The only animal here seems to be the one that targeted, terrorized and killed innocent people then killed himself. Coward.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby baconbits » Feb 18th, 2013, 9:59 pm

I disagree.

The person you are speaking of was never formally charged with any offence, you're words have no merit.

However the police who we're hunting him just like an "animal" which is how you describe him is exactly what they did.

They we're hunters and when they saw anything could possible be him they opened fire and hurt innocent people in the process.

The police also terrorized they're own citizens with they're actions.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Graham Adder » Feb 18th, 2013, 10:04 pm

I choose to call them pigs because of my personal experiences with them.
If they ever prove me wrong, I'll change my tune.
That's not to say I am a cop hater. Not at all.
But for the most part...my dealings with the uniform have been with pigs.

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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 19th, 2013, 6:34 am

baconbits wrote:I disagree.

The person you are speaking of was never formally charged with any offence, you're words have no merit.
What in the world are you talking about? Since when does one have to be charged with an offence to make the words true? He did terrorize people - there were witnesses.

They said Dorner bound and gagged them, then pulled pillowcases over their heads
Civilized people don't do that.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8984280

Dorner started the ball rolling - he could have stopped at any time but reading the manifesto it's obvious he had no intention of doing the right thing.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby zzontar » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:11 am

They said Dorner bound and gagged them, then pulled pillowcases over their heads
Civilized people don't do that.[/quote]
Fancy wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?secti ... id=8984280

Dorner started the ball rolling - he could have stopped at any time but reading the manifesto it's obvious he had no intention of doing the right thing.


Do you think that if he decided to stop when he was in the cabin and came out with his hands up that they wouldn't have shot him? Both Dorner and the cops knew it was do or die, and as far as his civility with those hostages:

Wednesday - Feb. 13 [8 p.m.]: The couple held captive in a Big Bear cabin by Chris Dorner spoke out about the frightening encounter. It was originally reported that the victims were two housekeepers, a mother and daughter, but it was actually Karen and Jim Reynolds, owners of Mountain Vista Resort. The Reynolds had entered a vacant unit and surprised the fugitive who was hiding out. They said Dorner bound and gagged them, then pulled pillowcases over their heads. He repeatedly told them he wouldn't kill them and only had a dispute with the LAPD. "He said, 'I don't have a problem with you, I just want to clear my name,'" Jim Reynolds said. After Dorner fled with their vehicle, the Reynolds managed to remove and call 911 with Karen's cellphone, which Dorner left behind on a table.


It doesn't get more civil than that as far as what he could have done, unless he also cooked them a nice meal. If he would have killed them he might still be alive today, and this doesn't mean he was just being a jolly old guy during this, but for the position he was in, that was not exactly the worse thing that could have happened to them. Dorner's rage overcame his purpose which is why he targeted people who weren't even involved in his being fired, but if he was truly a bad person those hostages would be dead along with the guy who's truck he took. He let those people live even though he knew that would greatly increase his chances of being caught even though many judge him the same as if he would have also killed them.

Again, not justifying his actions, but if he was a bad person and cop to begin with the killing could have still been going on. I think Dorner was either not as well-trained and smart as people thought, or wanted to get it over with which is my guess, which is why he left the cel phone with that couple and why he drew attention to himself by driving erratically, drawing attention to himself after calmly stealing that truck. If he would thought about a cheesy disguise and was driving normally he might also still be out there. Considering he was so highly-trained and had five years to plan, it's surprising that fortunately it ended so soon. One bad thing is that now that other cops know what he went through after filing his complaints, would they have any notion to do the same, or will LAPD just keep getting more corrupt to the point where it can't be reversed?
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:24 am

Did you read the manifesto?
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby zzontar » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:26 am

Yes
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby zzontar » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:34 am

Do you think if he decided to stop his manifesto and came out of the cabin with his hands up that he wouldn't have been shot?
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:36 am

I'm not seeing the point - he could have come forward long before being holed up in that cabin. He made horrible choices.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby zzontar » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:42 am

Fancy wrote:I'm not seeing the point - he could have come forward long before being holed up in that cabin. He made horrible choices.


Yes he did, but you said
he could have stopped at any time
which would include when he was holed up in the cabin. I disagree.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 19th, 2013, 9:48 am

He made his final choice and stand at that cabin - he chose to end his life - end of story. He made no effort to offer himself up. There's always a different choice that could have been made but he didn't - he had no intention of doing anything to improve his situation.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby zzontar » Feb 19th, 2013, 10:19 am

You're avoiding the question. If he made the choice to give himself up in the cabin do you think he'd be alive now? Seems if it wasn't his choice it sure was the cop's.
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Re: Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

Postby Fancy » Feb 19th, 2013, 10:46 am

Speculating on what could have been is pointless isn't it. There was always the possibility of him coming out alive to face the consequences up until those final moments. To suggest this was going to be a Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid ending is just one scenario.
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