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Gaza drone crashes in Israel

Suspected Hamas UAV causes IAF to scramble jets before crashing after 40 minutes of flight; IDF engineers examining drone's remains.

Yoav Zitun

Published: 06.25.15, 17:16 / Israel News

A miniature drone penetrated Israeli airspace on Thursday afternoon, crashing in an open area near the border fence in the southern Gaza Strip.

The craft was identified in the skies of Gaza at approximately 1 pm, prompting IAF fighter planes to be scrambled towards it. The drone eventually fell to the ground without any injuries. Military engineers arrived at the scene to examine it.

The drone was under surveillance from ground and air during its entire 40-minute flight.



Last summer, on the seventh day of Operation Protective Edge, an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) produced by Hamas penetrated Israeli airspace. It was eventually intercepted by a Patriot battery in the Ashdod area.

The military wing of Hamas claimed it had launched that UAV for "special operations" deep inside Israel.

The IDF has faced enemy UAVs in the past. On August 14, 2006, the final day of the Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah attempted to send multiple drones into Israel. One crashed as a result of a technical malfunction before reaching Israel.

The other was identified and downed by IAF planes in the western Galilee. A week before that, another drone was downed over the sea. Additionally, last year the IDF said it had intercepted a Hezbollah UAV above the sea near Haifa.

Why don't these Hamas imbeciles focus on helping their own people, instead of continuing the death cult and doing everything they can to kill every man woman and child within their own borders. What a bunch of complete ninnies. I just don't understand the love of Hamas by the leftists here. It just makes no sense.

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World | Fri Jul 3, 2015 3:47pm EDT

Israel accuses Hamas of aiding Islamic State in Egypt

An Israeli general has accused members of Hamas in Gaza of providing support to militants linked to Islamic State in Egypt's Sinai peninsula, where the Egyptian army has fought deadly battles with Islamist insurgents in recent days.

Major-General Yoav Mordechai, who oversees Israel's civilian policy towards Gaza, named members of Hamas's military wing he said were involved in training fighters of Islamic State, also known as ISIS, and smuggling wounded from Sinai into Gaza for treatment.

"We know that Hamas, and I have verified information, that Hamas in Gaza is assisting ISIS Sinai Province both in organization and armaments," Mordechai told Al Jazeera in an interview, speaking in Arabic.

He named two Hamas members, saying Abdallah Qishta was involved in training Islamic State members in Sinai and Wael Faraj, a battalion commander, had "smuggled terrorists from Sinai into Gaza Strip hospitals for medical treatment".

It is not clear how the militants would have been moved into Gaza as Egyptian forces control the border, but there are believed to be tunnels that Egypt has not yet found and destroyed.

Hamas, an offshoot of Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood, has rejected previous such accusations by Egypt. It said Mordechai's charges were an attempt to damage its relations with Cairo, and denied any involvement in Egypt.
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"Security services in Gaza control the borders and prevent any movement into and from Gaza through the borders. Such a silly Israeli incitement will not fool anyone," spokesman Sami Abi Zuhri told Reuters.

Hamas, an Islamist group that seized power in Gaza in 2007, has faced its own threats from Salafist and IS-linked militants in recent weeks. On Tuesday, Islamic State militants released a video threatening to turn Gaza into another "fiefdom", as in parts of Iraq and Syria.

Egyptian forces have fought furious battles against Islamist militants in northern Sinai in recent days, with at least 17 soldiers and 100 militants killed, according to the army.

Egyptian security and military sources said there was evidence that Palestinians, including some individuals from Hamas, had participated in the Sinai battles this week, but said there was no wider organizational link.

"If we had confirmed information that Hamas as an organization participated in the attack, our response would have been very different", one of them told Reuters.

Israel and Egypt have coordinated to put pressure on Hamas, with Israel enforcing a blockade of Gaza and limiting the flow of goods and people, while Egypt has largely closed the Rafah border crossing.

Cairo considers Hamas's armed wing a terrorist organization, though an Egyptian court last month canceled a similar ruling against Hamas as a whole.

Israel is watching the situation closely. It has expressed its support for Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, with whom it has developed closer ties since he removed Islamist President Mohamed Mursi - a senior Brotherhood leader - in 2013 following mass protests.

(Reporting by Maayan Lubell in Jerusalem, Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza and Ahmed Mohamed Hassan in Cairo; writing by Luke Baker; editing by Mark Trevelyan)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/ ... WC20150703

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but is it true ? seems just few days ago isil said they are going to attack hamas . seems like more crying fr9m bibi

[logicalview]

seems just few days ago isil said they are going to attack hamas .

please provide a link.

[sobrohusfat]

... seems like more crying fr9m bibi

You do understand they attacked and killed Egyptians right?? "Bibi" is the Israeli - "Sisi" is the Egyptian.

Apparently Bibi told Sisi that it would be ok if Egypt breached their peace treaty by increasing Egyptian military presence in the Sinai to help contain the "Ackbar" hords.

It's also well known that if it wasn't for Bibi's protection - Abu Mazen ( aka Mahmoud Abbas - aka “angel of peace” - lol ) Would have been dragged through the streets behind a Hamas motorcycle long ago - and he knows it.

It's ok Lake, we all know we really can't expect you to contain your insulting contempt within the confines of even the most basic facts.


Giv'er Sisi - Bibi's got your back

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please provide a link.

alrighty



The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group has threatened the Palestinian armed group Hamas, vowing to end the faction's rule in the territory.
In a 16-minute long video shared by social media accounts sympathetic to ISIL on Wednesday, fighters based in Syria's Aleppo province condemned Hamas for its crackdown on Salafist groups in the Gaza Strip, and its failure to implement a rigid enough interpretation of Islamic law. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/i ... 02630.html

Hamas is battling Islamic State (Isil) loyalists in Gaza who fired a volley of rockets into Israel, fearing the extremist rivals could weaken their hold on the territory by provoking a new conflict with the Jewish state.
The campaign has been steadily intensifying even before Israel mounted air strikes against Hamas bases on Wednesday in retaliation for rocket fire that was blamed on a small salafi jihadist group which has pledged allegiance to Isil.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gaza.html


Israel launched bombing raids against training camps in Gaza on Thursday in retaliation for a rocket attack claimed by a group with ties to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).
Witnesses and medics said the predawn attacks on two camps belonging to Hamas, which dominates the Gaza Strip, and to the smaller Palestinian group Islamic Jihad caused some damage but no casualties.
Moshe Yaalon, Israeli defence minister, said in a statement that Israel held Hamas responsible for the rocket attacks from Gaza "even if those doing the shooting are rogue gangs from global jihadi groups trying to challenge Hamas by shooting at us".
The rockets aimed at the Israeli city of Ashkelon and town of Netivot on Wednesday night were the second such attacks in the past week. im sure sobra is jumping for joy over this even though hamas wasnt the ones doing the dirty deed in this case




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... group.html



Top 5 Differences between Hamas and ISIL (Pace Netanyahu)
By Juan Cole | Sep. 30, 2014 |
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By Juan Cole
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu delivered a speech at the UN to a half-empty hall in which he tried to exemplify the most logical fallacies in a short period of time.
Netanyahu’s message is that all political Islam is equivalent. Thus, if ISIL is a danger to the west, then the Hamas movement in Gaza is as well. And both of them are equivalent to Iran.
Hamas is a movement of political Islam that has often deployed violence, which it terms resistance to occupation and which Israel and the US see as terrorism. But the US State Department was quick to put distance between it and Netanyahu’s views, dissenting from his crazy quilt of equivalencies.
Here are the top 5 differences between Hamas and ISIL:
1. Hamas has foresworn attacks on the United States and other Western countries, presenting itself as a national liberation movement against Israeli military occupation (an occupation that has lasted since 1967 in Gaza). ISIL on the other hand has called on radicals to attack the US and Europe.
2. Hamas has joined a national unity government with the PLO. Some Hamas legislators hold that this step automatically results in an implicit Hamas recognition of Israel, insofar as Hamas delegates will be bound by PLO rules of discourse, and the latter recognize Israel. In contrast, no high-profile member of ISIL has done anything but attempt to foment more violence and to break all political deals.
3. Hamas has not concertedly attacked non-Muslims, and, in fact there has sometimes been good cooperation between it and the Eastern Orthodox church. In contrast, ISIL attempted to ethnically cleanse the Yazidis and has threatened Christians and other minorities.
4. Hamas has concluded ceasefires with Israel, however imperfect on both sides. ISIL was kicked out of al-Qaeda for declining ever to make a truce even with its own allies.
5. Hamas has a civilian wing that ran for elective office in 2006 and won the Palestine elections. ISIL has no civil wing and is profoundly opposed to holding elections by party.
Hamas is a horrible fundamentalist organization (created in part by Israeli conniving and by the horrible conditions under which Palestinians in Gaza are made to live by the Israeli government), but it isn’t ISIL. And neither is like Iran, which is a Shiite state (Hamas and ISIL are hard line Sunni fundamentalists). Netanyahu comes close to racism in painting all Muslims with an extremist brush that is for him invarying. His own Likud movement was perfectly willing to turn to terrorism when it did not get its way, but not all Zionists or all Israelis would have approved. Netanyahu is doing propaganda and so cannot afford insightful oppositions.http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/differe ... nyahu.html


here are some comments


One fundamentalist slighting two other fundamentalists. They’re both other to Netanyahu, so it is logical he nets hem together as one — psychologically its true for him though by definition he is unaware of his own contribution.
He is thus assaulting Jews as much as Muslims. For people who think this way and employ such strategies also mean to terrorize their own people such that the herd tightens to defend itself from the other and the more this happens the more the inner violence made manifest in the overcrowding of the herd (terror) is projected outwards onto the scapegoat.
And, I believe, he is also attempting to create negotiating space so, to put it simply to be succinct, he has something to give up without giving up


Worthwhile to add that “there are churches in Gaza [which] Christians attend…freely, [and] there is a seat in the Gazan legislature reserved for a Christian – that’s night and day from the way ISIS treats Christians…”
link to detailedpoliticalquizzes.wordpress.com


Hamas (was) created in part by Israeli conniving……….”
While this is true and that Hamas collaborated with the Israeli governor during the late 1970s and early 80s, Israel saw the P.L.O. as the greater problem and sought Hamas as a counterbalance, but later the growth of Hamas was fueled by negligence and policy failures of the Israeli government.
In the period 1989 through 1992, literally hundreds of Gazan members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad were deported to Lebanon as punishment for initiating the First Intifada.
The United Nations Security Council condemned this action of Israel by unanimous vote.
The deportations backfired when the deportees formed relationships with the Hezbollah terror organization and this would fuel further violence against Israeli interests.
Further, the targeted killings during the Second Intifada of Hamas’ civilian wing leaders, such as Dr. Rantissi, backfired as these assassinations empowered the more militant military wing of Hamas and, also, led to greater cooperation and cohesion between Hamas and the more radical and violent Islamic Jihad of Palestine, an organization modeled after the Iranian Shia form of political Islam; this result was predicted by Israel’s own anti-terrorism experts, but not heeded by the Likud-led government at the time.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad both endorsed the Israeli Gaza disengagement plan of Ariel Sharon implemented in 2005, which denied the P.L.O. an an orderly transition of power from IDF Civil Administration rule. As a result of this, P.L.O leaders never had established firm control over Gaza as a governing entity and Hamas effectuated a violent full takeover in 2007, jailing and torturing many leaders of the Fatah movement.
Hamas has won support among Gazans for establishing scholarships and other educational opportunities for Gazan children, maintaining food distribution programs, and providing monetary relief to Gazans who have had their homes destroyed by Israeli military activity.
“(Hamas) is neither like Iran, which is a Shiite state (Hamas and ISIL are hard line Sunni fundamentalists)”
Hamas has had financial assistance and weaponry supplied by Iran. It was the Iranian-manufactured Fajr missile with a 200-lb warhead that menaced Tel Aviv in November of 2012. Numerous Hamas leaders have visited Iran, including military wing chief Mohammed Deif, who received medical treatment there after being wounded in several assassination attempts by the IDF. Hamas’ main terror organization collaborator, Islamic Jihad of Palestine, is modeled after the Iranian version of political Islam, as stated above, even though most of its Gazan members are Sunni in orientation.
The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency chief recently indicated that if Hamas is removed from power by Israel in Gaza – which Israel’s own senior leaders have said is difficult if not impossible – an extremist ISIL-like organization is likely to emerge as the pre-eminent power there.
Hamas is a necessary party to any final status agreement between Palestinians and Israelis – and most Israeli moderate Knesset members have acknowledged this reality.

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The only thing having Hamas remain in Gaza will do is to provide Israel a justification to maintain the status-quo and to serve as a glaring example for why any further concessions would be foolish.

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The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group has threatened the Palestinian armed group Hamas, vowing to end the faction's rule in the territory.

The only reason that ISIS would want to take over is that they want to syphon off the billions of dollars of aid that the brain-less UN and other naïve countries have funneled and continue to funnel directly into Hamas pockets. Right now though, Hamas will take ISIS help in Egypt, as the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and Hamas and ISIS have the same goal, which is to force an apocalyptic war in the middle East. That only happens if you control Egypt, which gives you direct access to attack Israel.

Try reading a bit about what is actually going on in the Middle East, and putting the bong down. You just embarrass yourself every time you post.

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An 18-month-old Palestinian baby has died after suspected Jewish extremists set fire to his home in the occupied West Bank.

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the incident and called it a "terror attack."

Several other family members were also injured in the blaze, military officials said

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07 ... &ir=Canada

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That is a truly wretched story.

Both Israel and Palestine have suffered immensely. The death toll rises which regular people are subjected to rockets/bombing/kidnapping and general terror, on both sides.

Hamas in my admittedly limited understandinfunderstanding of an extremely complex issue is by all rights is a terrorist group. This does not mean the people of Palestine are terrorist as well. They have suffered horribly under occupation which is a catalyst for extremism.

Bickering about who is the 'bad guy' seems to be the wrong conversation. It merely continues the narrative of us vs them.

The international artist JR speaks to the idea that behind the dogma and ideology there are people...like that poor child and her family from the previous post...that are the same and deserve a goal oriented dialogue rather than players acting on their behalf without their best interests.

Won best Ted Talk of 2013 I think....

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=w ... uT2Jfh8cNw