Tic toc . . . tic toc . . . Israel

[Homeownertoo]

Unbelievable the lies some people so comfortably propagate and repeat. History is full of such people, though, so why should it be so hard to believe.

[averagejoe]

Unbelievable the lies some people so comfortably propagate and repeat. History is full of such people, though, so why should it be so hard to believe.

Exactly! They twisted his speech. But what do you expect from the corporate media. Well said!

[sobrohusfat]

Dude, you do realize how shamelessly transparent that is right? Does "The zionist entity" refer to antartica to you? Should the chants "Death to Israel, Death to Israel" coming from the crowd throughout his speeches be considered as an invitation to tea and cookies?

Haven't we gone through this BS elsewhere already?

[sobrohusfat]

Maybe it's just me but it sure looks and smells like the ingredients for eventual betrayall.

U.S. goes along with NATO’s snub of Israel
Shoshana Bryen

NATO’s snub of Israel, (a “major non-NATO ally” and member of NATO’s Mediterranean Dialogue) in its Chicago summit this weekend was simply waved away. ”Israel is neither a participant in ISAF nor in KFOR (Afghanistan and Kosovo missions),” said NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Israel didn’t belong there, and that’s that. In the same press conference, however, Rasmussen acknowledged that thirteen other “partner” nations would attend because “In today’s world security challenges know no borders, and no country or alliance can deal with most of them on their own.”

Perhaps he, or someone, believes that Israel has nothing to contribute to meeting “today’s security challenges.”

Pundits quickly assumed that Turkey — a full NATO member — had vetoed Israel’s participation, as it vetoed IDF participation in NATO exercises in the Mediterranean. Rasmussen denied it — and maybe he’s right, because that’s not the only place where Israel is having trouble with its presumed military partners.

The Obama administration claims a special relationship with Israel. The State Department says the “security relationship with Israel is broader, deeper, and more intense than ever before.” Assistant Secretary of Sate Andrew Shapiro told a Washington audience, “One of my primary responsibilities is to preserve Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge [QME][.]” QME is generally defined as Israel’s ability to defeat any likely constellation of conventionally armed adversaries.

And yet…

The U.S. and Israel were to have combined thousands of soldiers in April for what had been billed as the largest missile defense exercise in Israel’s history. The objective was to “create a high level of interoperability so that, if needed, US missile defense systems would be able to work with Israeli systems during a conflict.” The exercise was canceled amid conflicting accounts having to do with funding, not wanting to alarm Iran, and “administrative issues.”

But while “Austere Challenge” was being back-burnered, the U.S. was moving forward with plans for a Special Operations exercise in Jordan. Special Operations is the cream of the American military — a joint force, highly trained to do “special” things. Its own website notes that its job is in part to “Deter, Disrupt & Defeat Terrorist Threats” and to “Obtain Persistent Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance Systems.” Operating in small groups in hostile environments, Special Operators is known for its speed and lethality.

Counterterrorism operatives and terrorist operatives alike covet their skills because to have the skills goes a long way toward defeating them in others. So with whom are we sharing capabilities, some of which were developed and enhanced in cooperation with Israel?

Operation “Eager Lion 2012” comprises 12,000 soldiers from 19 countries — including several at war with Israel, and at least two with which the U.S. has serious security problems.

Major General Ken Tovo, head of the U.S. Special Operations Forces, told reporters in Amman, “The message that I want to send through this exercise is that we have developed the right partners throughout the region and across the world … insuring that we have the ability to … meet challenges that are coming to our nations.”

The “right partners” include Egypt — with a Muslim Brotherhood-dominated government that said the Israel-Egypt peace treaty should be revoked (on its better-behaved days, it just says “considered dead”) and whose money Congress tied to improvements in human rights and civil society before Secretary of State Clinton overrode their restrictions. Pakistan is also a “right partner.” This would be the Pakistan that has refused to allow NATO to move supplies into Afghanistan for the past six months and hosted Osama bin Laden, and in whose country the U.S. is conducting a drone war in defiance of the Pakistani parliament. Lebanon, where the Cabinet is dominated by Iranian-backed Hezb’allah and which had its military aid from the U.S. suspended after a Lebanese soldier fired into Israel, killing an IDF officer, is a “right partner.” So is Bahrain, which is engaged in low-level and brutal suppression of its Shiite population. So is Iraq.

Jordan itself has a peace treaty with Israel, but the country trains Palestinian police (the nascent Palestinian army). What tactics will Jordan share with Palestinians, whose aim is the destruction of Israel? Palestinians used their earlier U.S. training during the 2000-2004 terrorist war against Israel, and U.S. training of Palestinian troops was suspended (temporarily) after the brutal Palestinian civil war of 2007.

The United States needs allies in an increasingly unstable Middle East. Israel is an ally by the capabilities it brings to the relationship and by its democratic values. Certain other countries can be partners as well. But if the U.S. is going to share counterterrorism capabilities with Israel’s enemies in pursuit of other objectives, rhetorical support for Israel is insufficient compensation. The United States should not have allowed Israel to be snubbed by NATO, and should have ensured that U.S.-Israel security cooperation was a high and visible priority for our own benefit as well as for Israel’s security.

[averagejoe]

Dude, you do realize how shamelessly transparent that is right? Does "The zionist entity" refer to antartica to you? Should the chants "Death to Israel, Death to Israel" coming from the crowd throughout his speeches be considered as an invitation to tea and cookies?

Haven't we gone through this BS elsewhere already?

Probably! Why not a homeland in Russia?

[Bejvas]

Who should he contact to find out the answer? lol

[Homeownertoo]

Me!

[SassySasquatch]

As we move steadily towards a major clash with global implications, thought some might be interested in keeping track of happenings in the hotspot center of the universe. Some may want this moved to the "religion" section...until it becomes a clear "World" topic. Whatever suits best.

Caroline Glick, deputy managing editor of The Jerusalem Post said: "Today Israel is threatened with annihilation and the U.S. Jewish community is suffering from more blatant and organized anti-Semitic attacks than it has seen in the past fifty years. ... Israel's next government will be called on to defend Israel against Iran and its Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese proxies, And it will be called to act at a time when the U.S. is led by an Obama administration pledged to appease these forces. Israel will have to rally all of its supporters in the U.S. to its side in order to stand up for its survival. In light of the American Jewish vote, it is an open question whether Israel will receive the help of its American Jewish brethren in its hour of need."

God says: "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves. ... "On that day I will make the leaders of Judah like a firepot in a woodpile, like a flaming torch among sheaves. They will consume right and left all the surrounding peoples, but Jerusalem will remain intact in her place." (Zechariah 12:2-3,6).

The Jerusalem Connection says: In noting the future waning support for Israel, Caroline Glick has also revealed the future mission of the Christian Zionist -- "to stand up for its (Israel's) survival." Not only will Israel's survival be challenged, but also the survival of those who support Israel. Let's face it, God's people, Christian and Jew, will be refined by fire before Messiah returns. May His grace enable us to be faithful to His call.

Religious zealots have to get out of the political process.

It is one thing to have a relationship with your higher power.

It is another to proclaim its supremacy over all others. That is when the zealots get stupid.

[D suzuki]

its just like bill maher says , it the same as believing in a FAIRYTALE

[unclemarty]

Well...we'll see.

Anyhoo, the Israel haters and i do have something in common: I too believe Israel should revert to the pre-'67 borders.

These pre-67 borders:

[Bejvas]

Interesting site http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=183

3 GOALS OF THE
NEW WORLD ORDER JEWS
By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2008-2011

[Homeownertoo]

Thanks, Bejvas, for more anti-semitic garbage.

So who are the Palestinians?

"Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ['Egyptian']. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis."

--Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012

[sobrohusfat]

Recently i heard a man on CBC radio worried for his dad, who was one of those on board the latest ship of fools diverted by the Israeli navy while attempting yet another pointless run for the Gaza coast with their cargo of useless and unecessary "humanitarian gifts". In the interview the man described his poor old pappy as frail and in need of his meds and he sure hoped those nasty Israelis treat him with the kind and gentle respect he deserves.

LOL what a joke. Such brave souls... all the while knowing perfectly well the only real risk would have been for them to provoke just about anybody else in the neighbourhood other than the Israelis.

Israel defends intercepting ship engaged in 'media stunt'
By Yosi Aviram, Vancouver Sun October 25, 2012

Jim Manly is returning to Canada.
However, it is necessary to clarify some facts and shed light on what it was all about - a PR stunt.

First, the yacht broke international law. The maritime blockade of Gaza, designed to prevent the smuggling of weapons that target Israeli homes and schools, has been upheld by the UN.

Second, Israel is a democracy governed by the rule of law. The crew was offered to deliver supplies via the proper channels, but it chose not to. The yacht was then brought to port. Mr. Manly met a Canadian consul and a lawyer. He had two options: sign a waiver of appeal or appeal in front of a judge. He delayed and had he signed the waiver sooner his return would have been immediate.

Finally, the claim of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza is baseless and even refuted by Hamas officials.
Shops are bustling and construction is booming while goods, except weapons, are imported through land crossings.

The so-called "humanitarian aid" on the yacht, including swimming suits and cement, could have been easily transferred.

There may be more effective ways to use donations than spending the money on a media stunt on the Mediterranean.

Yosi Aviram - Spokesperson for the Embassy of Israel in Canada

Oh there may well be more effective ways to use donations ... but surely none so packed with such low risk fun for seniors.

[sobrohusfat]

Meanwhile are the Israelis being pro-active again?

Israel hits jihadist arms in Sudan - claim
2012-10-25 23:33

Jerusalem - IF Israel bombed a Sudanese munitions factory, as Khartoum alleges, the raid was part of its widening proxy war against Islamist militants in neighbouring Egypt which the Jewish state is reluctant to confront directly.

A huge explosion ripped through the factory near the Sudanese capital Khartoum on Tuesday, killing two people, with Sudan swiftly accusing Israel of sending four military planes to take out the complex.

The poor Muslim east African state, with its ties to Iran and Sunni jihadis, has long been seen by Israel as a conduit for weapons smuggled onward to the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, via the Egyptian Sinai desert.

With Sinai itself becoming a seedbed of al-Qaeda-inspired cadres during Cairo's political upheaval, the Israelis now fear such arms could be used against them from within Egyptian territory. That puts Israel in a strategic bind, laid bare by the half-dozen guerilla attacks it absorbed over the Egyptian border in recent months.

The countries' landmark 1979 peace accord precludes Israeli military action, whether preventive or retaliatory, in the Sinai, and Israel is highly unlikely to risk even a one-off breach given Egypt's unsympathetic new Islamist-led government.

Israel's response, government and military sources said, has been to hit first against those on Egypt's periphery suspected of links to the Sinai militants.

That has meant stepped-up up air strikes on Gazans accused of plotting operations in Sinai, and - to judge by reports from Khartoum - similar escalation in Sudan, to Egypt's south.

Israel has never confirmed or denied carrying out attacks on Sudanese targets. But Israeli defence officials admit placing a high priority on tracking arms trafficking through the country.

The monitoring, one retired official said, dates back to the previous government of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, which waged a 2008-2009 Gaza war to crush Palestinian rocket fire and found itself fending off fierce censure abroad over the civilian toll.

Unmanned drone

Since early in 2009, shortly before the centrist Olmert was succeeded by the right-wing Benjamin Netanyahu, Sudan has accused Israel of carrying out several strikes on its territory. The sense of a far-flung covert campaign was further fuelled by the Israelis' alleged assassination of a senior Hamas armourer in Dubai in 2010 and abduction for trial of a suspected Palestinian rocket expert from Ukraine the following year.

Commenting tersely on Israel's strategy, the ex-official said it aimed to "stem the flow of arms [to Sinai and Gaza] without triggering major confrontations".

"This is all the more relevant today," the ex-official said, referring to instability in Egypt and surging Sinai militancy.

Foreign intelligence sources said Israel carried out a unmanned drone raid on a convoy south of Khartoum last month that destroyed 200 tonnes of munitions, including rockets, intended for Gaza.

Tuesday's blowing up of the Sudanese munitions factory was different to previous incidents, in that a state asset was hit. In a further suggestion of escalation by Israel, witnesses said the sortie was carried out by piloted fighter jets.

Amos Gilad, a senior Israeli defence official, made clear that Sudan should be considered fair game - an enemy like Hamas and Iran - and that Cairo's interests were also at stake.

"It is clear that it [Sudan] supports the smuggling of munitions, or it helps Gaza. In actuality, these munitions pass through Egypt, so it is endangering its major neighbour, Egypt. It harms national security because tomorrow these arms could also be used against the Egyptians," Gilad told Army Radio.

Sudanese Information Minister Ahmed Belal Osman declined to say whether any weapons from the attacked Yarmouk arms factory in Khartoum had ended up in Gaza, saying on Wednesday that only "traditional weapons in line with international law" were produced there.

A Swiss-published 2009 Small Arms Survey sponsored by several European governments found that Iran was a major supplier of light munitions to Sudan.

Iran

Khartoum has not said whether Iran was in any way involved in the factory that was bombed. A non-Israeli source briefed on the incident said the air strike focused on the main open area between the plant's main buildings, leaving open the possibility the target was specific personnel or production lines, rather than the whole complex.

Given the some 1 900km distance between Israel and Sudan, some Israeli commentators saw in the alleged raid a warning to Iran, whose similarly remote nuclear facilities the Netanyahu government has hinted it could attack should diplomatic efforts to shut them down fail.

Alex Fishman, senior defence analyst for Israel's top-selling newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth, dubbed the Sudan raid a "live-fire practice run" for Iran.

But the Israeli ex-official, who has an extensive military background, was sceptical about comparing a fenced, open-air Khartoum factory with antiquated air defences to Iran's dug-in nuclear facilities.

The ex-official also noted the further difference between flying along the Red Sea toward Sudan, an international aviation corridor, to the prospect of Israeli jets reaching Iran through the unfriendly skies of Arab states like Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia.

"Israel isn't 'signalling' to Iran, just as it's not 'signalling' to the terrorists in Sinai," the ex-official said. "Whatever actions might be taken in Sudan are taken to counter a real, immediate threat."

Though attacks on Israel by Sinai jihadis have been mainly with small arms, there have been occasional short-range rocket launches and Israeli officials worry about possible attempts to down airliners with shoulder-fired missiles.


- Reuters

[sobrohusfat]

Attacks on Jewish communities within Gaza 2001 - 2005:

1730

Attacks on Israel from Gaza after Israel cleared-out all jews from there in '05:

8300

Attacks on Israel from Gaza since 'Cast Lead':

2742 (as of Nov. 15)

Now they are reaching Jerusalem and Tel Aviv with their attacks and Israel is mobilizing.
http://www.canada.com/sports/Jerusalem+ ... story.html

Land for peace has been, and still is, a suicidal fiction the rest of the world keeps wanting to shove down Israels' throat and hamas is loving every minute of it as any response from Israel, which will automatically result in civilian casualties, is condemned as war crimes.

It's not looking good and this will never change as long as the arabs refuse to govern themselves properly. There can never be another partition of Israel and no other 'palestinian' state other than the existing one: Jordan.

I feel bad for the 40% of folks in Gaza who oppose Hamas constantly antagonizing the Israelis. Too bad the other 60% cheer them on. As does much of the west.