The US Senate has just passed bill that ends bill of rights!

[binky11]

This is scarey stuff. I did not want to post just one web page on it in fear it would get sent off to conspiracy theory thread.

http://www.ask.com/web?q=the+U.S.+Senate+has+just+passed+a+bill+that+effectively+ends+the+Bill+of+Rights+in+America.&search=&qsrc=0&o=100000027&l=dis&gct=serp

[shy_girl]

*personal attack removed*/ferri you need to read the rules before you post again.

[Nebula]

The thread topic is not true. The US Senate did not pass a bill that ends the bill of rights. Those words came from conspiracy theorists on other websites. That is their interpretation of what the passing of the bill means.

If one reads the looney rants of the CTs and then looks at more reasoned reporting, one can easily see that CTs (as usual) have blown things way out of proportion.

There are concerns with the bill, however while CTs are out on the web tonight crying that everyday Americans will have their rights stripped by the military, the truth is that the bill speaks to "suspected al Qaeda terrorists", which is something totally different.

The concerns revolve around being held indefinitely and whether the military or civilian authorities should deal with such terrorists.

Chock another one up for the fear mongers. They're are at it again. (Or is that still?)

[averagejoe]

[quote="Nebula"]The thread topic is not true. The US Senate did not pass a bill that ends the bill of rights. Those words came from conspiracy theorists on other websites. That is their interpretation of what the passing of the bill means.

If one reads the looney rants of the CTs and then looks at more reasoned reporting, one can easily see that CTs (as usual) have blown things way out of proportion.

There are concerns with the bill, however while CTs are out on the web tonight crying that everyday Americans will have their rights stripped by the military, the truth is that the bill speaks to "suspected al Qaeda terrorists", which is something totally different.

The concerns revolve around being held indefinitely and whether the military or civilian authorities should deal with such
terrorists.


Some articles I found regarding this Bill.......

ACLU......

http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/ndaa_section1031.pdf

Senator Rand Paul....

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=399


Business Insider......

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-medi ... ul-2011-12


http://newsvoice.se/2011/12/02/us-senat ... tleground/

[Woodenhead]

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/01/congress_endorsing_military_detention_a_new_aumf/singleton/

Pretty good write-up on it. I really don't find it surprising at all - typical to how the USA does things.

There are several very revealing aspects to all of this. First, the 9/11 attack happened more than a decade ago; Osama bin Laden is dead; the U.S. Government claims it has killed virtually all of Al Qaeda’s leadership and the group is “operationally ineffective” in the Afghan-Pakistan region; and many commentators insisted that these developments would mean that the War on Terror would finally begin to recede. And yet here we have the Congress, on a fully bipartisan basis, acting not only to re-affirm the war but to expand it even further: by formally declaring that the entire world (including the U.S.) is a battlefield and the war will essentially go on forever.

It's really about their war machine/money. But that's been a constant for them since WW2.

[Woodenhead]

Interesting tangent - in London, it looks like they're using a similar law to their advantage: Label OWS a terror group, then do as you want. haha

Police in City see occupiers as 'terror' risk

The City of London Police force was facing criticism last night after including the Occupy London demonstration in a letter warning businesses about potential terrorist threats.

The letter, a "Terrorism/Extremism Update", lists al-Qa'ida, the Colombian dissidents Farc, and Belarusian terrorists who bombed the Minsk underground. It also lists Occupy London under the heading "Domestic".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-in-city-see-occupiers-as-terror-risk-6272434.html

[peaceseeker]

Bringing the ‘War on Terror’ Home
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28052
by Coleen Rowley
Global Research, December 5, 2011
Consortiumnews - 2011-12-04

[noneofyourbiz3]

Bringing the ‘War on Terror’ Home
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28052
by Coleen Rowley
Global Research, December 5, 2011
Consortiumnews - 2011-12-04

Global Research rocks. So does the Universal declaration of Human Rights.

Article 5.
•No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.


^ Top

Article 6.
• Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.


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Article 7.
• All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.


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Article 8.
• Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.


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Article 9.
• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.


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Article 10.
• Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.


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Article 11.
• (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
• (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.


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Article 12.
• No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

[peaceseeker]

Like a nightmare, it just gets worse...

Obama strips language shielding Americans from bill
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/obam ... -bill.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiKvSz_wX8#t=108s&feature=related[/youtube]

A deliberate deception

As soon as December 13, the President will sign NDAA Section 1031 into law, permitting citizen imprisonment without evidence or trial. The bill that passed Congress absolutely DOES NOT exempt citizens. The text of Section 1031 reads, "A covered person under this section" includes "any person who has committed a belligerent act". We only have to be ACCUSED, because we don't get a trial.

- Confusingly, Obama threatened a veto for 1032, but NOT 1031. 1032 is UNRELATED to imprisoning citizens without a trial. He has never suggested using a veto to stop Section 1031 citizen imprisonment -- in fact, it was requested by the Obama administration. Watch the video for proof.

- The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) is dangerously misleading. Don't be fooled: In the text of 1031(e), "Nothing in this section shall be construed...", the only word that matters is "construed" because the Supreme Court are the only ones with the power to construe the law. The Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) permits citizens to be imprisoned without evidence or a trial forever, if the Supreme Court does not EXPLICITLY repeal 1031.

- Any time you hear the words, "requirement for military custody" this refers to 1032 NOT 1031. We MUST not confuse these two sections. In its statements, the Obama administration has actually contributed to the confusion about 1032's "requirement for military custody", which is COMPLETEY UNRELATED to Section 1031 citizen imprisonment without trial. These tricky, misleading words appear even in major news stories. Don't fall for it!

If we act urgently to tell our friends, family, and colleagues, we may still be able to prevent this. Here is what we can do:

1) Americans must know about this to stop it. Urgently pass this petition as widely as possible: http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-nd ... onment-l...

2) Spread this C-SPAN video evidence. People deserve to watch this before he signs it.

3) Write and call your Representative and Senator telling them to stop NDAA Section 1031 and the dangerously misleading Feinstein Amendment 1031(e).
Contact your Representative: http://writerep.house.gov/writerep/
Contact your Senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_i ... rs_cfm.cfm

4) Write and call the White House to tell the President you won't sit by and watch NDAA Section 1031 and the dangerously misleading Feinstein Amendment 1031(e) become law: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submi ... d-comments

[steelrules]

Passed.

[ChocolateRitalinZombie]

America 2011 is Germany 1939
When will Canadians wake up
and smell the FASCISM?
http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm

[grammafreddy]

Those striped pants are very slimming, aren't they? Do they get issued to women. too?

[steelrules]

America 2011 is Germany 1939
When will Canadians wake up
and smell the FASCISM?
http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm

Good link thanks, It's disturbing how people never learn anything from history, now we are being given an opportunity to relive it.

[Nebula]

It's disturbing how people never learn anything from history, now we are being given an opportunity to relive it.

Are you American?

[steelrules]

America 2011 is Germany 1939
When will Canadians wake up
and smell the FASCISM?
http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm

Good link thanks, It's disturbing how people never learn anything from history, now we are being given an opportunity to relive it.

No I'm Canadian, but what was the light of freedom in this world the Constitution of the United States, the standard by which all nations are measured has been used to wipe the Azz of the treasonous cabal who have overthrown the republic.
Do not for one minute think that our nation is not following in their footsteps.

40 years old and so prophetic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc0sSAdmd8