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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby SurplusElect » Dec 14th, 2012, 5:54 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:No, it doesn't. Firearms are only responsible for 27% of homicides in Canada.


Spousal murders, correction. And guns are #2.

#1 is stabbing. Knives are more readily available than guns, most kitchens have them.

I think I confused that stat that the majority of spousal murders in Canada that were committed by guns were committed with long guns. Lots of stats!
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 14th, 2012, 5:58 pm

SurplusElect wrote:Spousal murders, correction.


Still in the same ballpark, 29%. Shall we ban knives?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:00 pm

SurplusElect wrote:I am saying that "normal law abiding citizens" are just that until something happens that makes them become criminals.

And when there is a gun at the ready, the percentages are much higher that someone is going to die.


And I am saying your thinking process is flawed. A responsible, sane and rational person does not shoot/kill another person. If such was true, there would be many, many more people dying because there are many people who own guns and other weapons and who have events in their lives where they could flip out and they don't.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby SurplusElect » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:03 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Still in the same ballpark, 29%. Shall we ban knives?


29% is acceptable number or murders?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby SurplusElect » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:06 pm

grammafreddy wrote:And I am saying your thinking process is flawed. A responsible, sane and rational person does not shoot/kill another person.


Say that outloud a few times GF.

You believe that people are born to be murders, end of story?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Queen K » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:11 pm

Has the news outlets come out and revealed the shooters mental medical history already?

Was he known to the psychologists?
The local police there?

GrammaFreddy, are you guess he had mental illness because those are the only ones capable of mass murder?

I know someone with mental health problems who has never murdered anyone.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby normaM » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:12 pm

just so awful :( Can't watch it on the News any longer - so many Lives taken, so many lives impacted :(
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Re: US gun deaths

Postby Queen K » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:13 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Killing children? That's just sick.


In Canada you can knife you kids to death and get out in less than four years. What is sicker? The action of the murderer or the goverment policy?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:16 pm

SurplusElect wrote:29% is acceptable number or murders?


See, you make a mistake of thinking that if there was no gun available, the homicide wouldn't take place. But if we all decided to get rid of all guns we've ever created, the homicides would still happen - for example with kitchen knives. Or with chess board. Or with simple ice picks or axes. So, when are we banning kitchen knives?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:17 pm

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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:23 pm

Queen K wrote:Has the news outlets come out and revealed the shooters mental medical history already?

Was he known to the psychologists?
The local police there?

GrammaFreddy, are you guess he had mental illness because those are the only ones capable of mass murder?

I know someone with mental health problems who has never murdered anyone.


Yeah, I know some of those kind of people, too, Queenie.

And nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo .... I did not say that people who have mental illness are the only ones capable of mass murder - but it is a good point. Would a sane, mature, responsible and normal person do that???

I don't know what the media is saying now or has discovered about this 20-year old person - other than his mom was a teacher at the school, she is presumed dead and his girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Doesn't sound too sane to me. How about you? Think he is sane?
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:28 pm

grammafreddy wrote:Doesn't sound too sane to me. How about you? Think he is sane?

From what I've heard, the guy was suffering from autism. He stole the guns from his mom (I assume there were just laying around, no gun safe), killed his father, went to school, killed his mom, and 20+ children and staff. The guy is completely bonkers, and has brains wired upside down. What he did is beyond normality, you have to be insane to do something like this.
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby SurplusElect » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:32 pm

grammafreddy wrote:Your last sentence is just too stupid to bother with a response.


Excuse me, I should have elaborated.

When you say that only mentally ill people will murder someone I assume you must not realize that people can obtain a firearm legally (no history of mental illness) and then afterwards "loose it" and kill someone.

History is chalked full of sane people who committed murder when pushed.

So there are all these peaceful duck hunters out there - until something happens - then they become murderers.

Guns just happen to be the easiest way to kill another human, mentally speaking - so lets put one in every kitchen!
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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby GrooveTunes » Dec 14th, 2012, 6:54 pm

See, you make a mistake of thinking that if there was no gun available, the homicide wouldn't take place. But if we all decided to get rid of all guns we've ever created, the homicides would still happen - for example with kitchen knives. Or with chess board. Or with simple ice picks or axes. So, when are we banning kitchen knives?

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Re: 28 killed at elementary school

Postby Captain Awesome » Dec 14th, 2012, 7:00 pm

GrooveTunes wrote:If there was no gun available there wouldn't be 20 dead children and 8 dead adults.


How about a hunting rifle? You can get them in just about every country in the world. In fact, you can probably do more damage in a crowded place like school with a shotgun.
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