Disturbing manifesto of a psycho ex-cop

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goatboy wrote:OK, I'll try again. This is completely not relevant to what actually happened, and as such is a question that is pointless in answering. You can go on all day with your hypothetical analogies, but I won't bother with the "what ifs". Now, if you want to ask me a question like, "do you think there may have been a better way of ending this stand off", then I may answer it with a "yes, I think there may have been a better way of ending this stand off, however, I have the luxury of hindsight".


It's completely relevant. As you said
I have no idea what they planned to do
I wanted to see if the situation was reversed if you would still have no idea what they planned to do.
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zzontar wrote:It's completely relevant. As you said "I have no idea what they planned to do" I wanted to see if the situation was reversed if you would still have no idea what they planned to do.


All that would answer is what would happen in your scenario. Your scenario is irrelevant as it did not happen.

Here's an example of your logic for you to answer:

Knowing that Dorner had already killed two policemen and 2 civilians, do you think he would have come out with his hands up?
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Interesting point and I don't think anybody would think that he would.

This is all hypothetical, however do you agree that those in law enforcement intended on burning that house with him in it? How can you not listen to the audio recordings and believe that's what they intended to do?


On a side note, why not use a sniper loaded with a tranquilizer and shoot him if he came out?
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baconbits wrote: however do you agree that those in law enforcement intended on burning that house with him in it?
Is that what they intended?
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baconbits wrote:On a side note, why not use a sniper loaded with a tranquilizer and shoot him if he came out?

Seriously? He wasn't intending on coming out.
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baconbits wrote:Interesting point and I don't think anybody would think that he would.

This is all hypothetical, however do you agree that those in law enforcement intended on burning that house with him in it? How can you not listen to the audio recordings and believe that's what they intended to do?


On a side note, why not use a sniper loaded with a tranquilizer and shoot him if he came out?


Tranquillizers don't work that quick, and remember, he's already chosen the degree of force the police have to use against him by his own actions. You do not use non-lethal force against someone using lethal force.

Was the shouting of "burn him out" before or during the cabin actually being on fire?
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baconbits wrote:Interesting point and I don't think anybody would think that he would.



So if no one believes that he had any intention of surrendering, do the police risk him possibly escaping the cabin or do they use extreme measures to neutralize him? Their job in this circumstance was not to just bring him to justice but was also to stop him from continuing what he had been doing, which is killing people.
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baconbits wrote: however do you agree that those in law enforcement intended on burning that house with him in it?
Fancy wrote: Is that what they intended?

it would certainly seem that was their intent
he was in the house, and they lobbed what they knew would cause a fire, into said cabin
some were heard saying to burn it down
then they lobbed...it burned and he was in fact...inside
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A lot of people say things in the heat of the moment that are regretted later or didn't mean. The fact that the first tear gas didn't work prompted the next more severe batch that would normally drive someone out that would rather live.
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Burn it!

Burn it down!

We've got fire!


Remember hearing those quotes?
I do.
They might regret saying these things in the heat of the moment...but only because it shows intent.
The canisters they tossed in are meant to burn.
These weren't the canisters that just make a lot of fog and noise.
They are designed to burn.
They made no mistake when they chose to lob several of them into a wooden cabin in a forest.

We've got fire!

They sure do.
And will for awhile.
Deservedly so.
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It was awefully convinient that he doesn't have to stand trial. He may have been dangerous to the public but to the LAPD he was a media relations distaster.
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Don't forget

Burn that mother^%#*$&&#^
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http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/14 ... e-20130215

"often" not always though so wouldn't be a sure thing
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Maybe if they launched one or two canisters, they launched 7


The biggest lesson in this case at the end of the day, however, is that you can never completely trust the mainstream media to tell you the truth. Too many of us are dependent on them for the facts. With a little bit of investigative work, reading, and critical thinking, most all of the details become clear. Until we can hold them accountable for the information they put out, we are completely and totally on our own.


taken from: http://www.horrorsleazetrash.com/fictio ... is-gordon/
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guess they wanted to make sure they hit every room
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