Missing Airplane: Malaysia Airlines MH370

[vinnied]

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 hunt set to go deeper as "materials washed ashore" in Australia investigated

they said 3 pieces of metal washed up on shore. One was about the size of a car with rivets in it.
Now im no metallurgist, but isn't metal heavier then water, and would therefore sink? It will be interesting to see the photos, and maybe a better description. Maybe thats why the headline says "Officials not excited about possible debris"

[A_Britishcolumbian]

so very interesting that now so far into the 'search', we have malaysia once again guilty of hiding details, and even more interesting, open speculation that the usa may have shot flight mh370 out of the sky.

Families of loved ones lost in Malaysia Flight 370 are demanding answers of what happened — and they’re not happy that the preliminary report of the disappearance is being withheld from them.
Since Boeing 777 is a publicly traded company in the US, families and friends of those lost have decided to go that way with the search, since they’re not getting the answers they’ve been needing from the Malaysian government.


Malaysia Flight 370 — Hiding Report Causes Uproar
When the preliminary report on the flight’s disappearance came out, it was sent to the International CIvil Aviation Organization (ICAO), but was not released to the public — and families and friends are not happy about it.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/04/24/mal ... -families/

A former oil company executive turned author has suggested America could have shot down missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - and is now trying to cover it up.

Writing on OpEdNews.com, John Chuckman, a former chief economist for a large Canadian oil company, asked: "Could it be that the United States shot down Flight MH370, either accidentally or deliberately, and now wants to keep it secret?

"The possibility of recovery of the full wreckage, even if its location were found, from four miles under the sea amongst underwater mountains is extremely remote at best, so the United States can remain confident that physical evidence will never emerge.

Mr Chuckman, who is originally from Chicago, continued: "There would be nothing unprecedented in such an act: on at least three occasions, regrettably, America's military has shot down civilian airliners.

"I have no idea what event (a rogue pilot, a hijacker?) led to Flight MH370 turning off its communications, changing course, and flying low, but I do know that the event could not have gone unnoticed by America's military-intelligence eyes and ears."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/mh370 ... wn-3437540

[DeepEnd]

so very interesting that now so far into the 'search', we have malaysia once again guilty of hiding details, and even more interesting, open speculation that the usa may have shot flight mh370 out of the sky.

A former oil company executive turned author lends his opinion to the crash of a jet airliner from Malaysia. MIght be a movie deal in the works for him.

His speculation was stated here on Castanet weeks ago, in the open. Could be a case for plagerisism for whomever came up with that one on this forum. Might be worth big bucks, him being a former oil exec.

[Dizzy1]

they said 3 pieces of metal washed up on shore. One was about the size of a car with rivets in it.
Now im no metallurgist, but isn't metal heavier then water, and would therefore sink? It will be interesting to see the photos, and maybe a better description. Maybe thats why the headline says "Officials not excited about possible debris"

The way the metal is designed, displacement, etc. all play factors in how or why an object may float.

[Dizzy1]

One of the better written articles on the subject ...

MH370 mystery shows the aviation industry must join the Internet Age


Peter Pigott, The Province
Published: Wednesday, April 23, 2014
For an aviation author, conversations at dinner parties these days begin with "what do you really think happened to that Malaysian Airlines aircraft? Was it blown up? Was it accidentally shot down by a country it was flying over?" And as the alcohol intake rises: "Maybe it was abducted by aliens!" Or, "it is hidden in a hangar on a deserted airfield somewhere being repainted and filled with explosives for some suicidal mission." MH370's disappearance has become the Amelia Earhart mystery of this century. Until the wreckage is found and its black box (flight data recorder) recovered, its fate will remain a mystery - and perhaps for a very long time. When Air France Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, debris surfaced soon after, but it took nearly two years for the search team to locate and raise the flight recorder lying at the bottom of 4,700 metres of water. And what the data told was not a hijacking by terrorists (or aliens) or a bomb onboard, but a series of miscalculations made by the flight crew trying to fly through a major storm.

What has surprised the public with the MH370 news coverage (besides the discovery that the black box is actually bright orange) is that in an age of Global Positioning Systems (GPS), when with an android app one can know the location of children and friends, the Boeing 777-200, one of the most technologically advanced modes of transport built, was not being tracked. Incredibly, cars and cellphones have broad-band connectivity today, but million-dollar airliners do not. As in Earhart's day, pilots still rely on radio, with air traffic controllers shepherding them through congested airspace through voice commands. It's still dial-up technology in the cockpit even while in the cabin passengers are sending and receiving text messages, now surfing the web and even streaming TV programs. Had Flight MH370 been equipped with a data link with the bandwidth to continuously stream data - instead of it being collected and stored by the black box that went with it to the bottom of the ocean, we would know what happened and where it is.

Many advances in aviation safety have occurred because of air crashes: understanding pressurization cycles, toilet smoke alarms and fire-retardant cabin materials all came at a price. Yet apart from the perfunctory briefing by the flight attendant and the everignored card in the seat pocket, airlines are loathe to spend more than the required time and investment on safety, preferring instead to publicize their lie-flat seats and 400 movies on demand. This is understandable as, about to be hurled through the freezing troposphere in a pressurized tube, no passenger needs to be reminded that death by hypoxia is inches away or that to survive in a smoked-filled cabin you must get out within what flight attendants call "the two golden minutes."

Phoenix International underwater vehicle Artemis is craned over the side of an Australian ship April 17 to search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Phoenix International underwater vehicle Artemis is craned over the side of an Australian ship April 17 to search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Commercial aviation has relied on the black box since the 1960s to gather and store flight data. It is simple, indestructible and cheap - ideal for an industry that operates on thin profit margins. To extend the transmissions past one month by upgrading every black box with long-life lithium batteries (or make them sea/solar powered) - or even redesign them completely with "jettisonable" transmitters that would break off on impact would be prohibitively expensive for an airline fleet manager.

But the technology does exist to allow an aircraft to automatically start transmitting data, including its precise location, when it diverts from an approved flight plan or experiences conditions that are outside normal operating limits - and it is in Canada.

Calgary's FLYHT Aerospace Solutions Ltd. has developed the Automated Flight Information Reporting System (AFIRS), which uses the Iridium satellite constellation of 66 satellites to transmit data to a web server on the ground, which then forwards the data to pre-defined IP (email) addresses. Had AFIRS been on MH370 and if it was enabled for triggered data transmission, we would know where the aircraft was, when it last had electrical power, its behaviour at all times leading up to that point, including altitude, attitude, airspeed, direction/heading, engine state, doors open/closed - and many other parameters. And yes, the system could be made tamper proof and to run on a battery when the power goes off.

Of course there would be costs to installing it and similar systems and in Canada only First Air has opted for AFIRS. But FLYHT claims that the cost of a streaming event with its AFIRS is less than $10/minute and that streaming the entire MH370 seven-hour presumed flight would have cost under $4,000 - less than one hour's operating cost of a search and rescue aircraft.

As previous air crashes have done, commercial aviation will benefit from the MH370 tragedy. As the Air France search should have, it will force the industry into the Internet Age. The advantages are clear. We depend upon airlines not just for transportation but economic growth. The ongoing multi-nation search effort estimated at $2 million a day off the Australian coast for the B777-200 belongs to the era of Amelia Earhart.

Peter Pigott is an Ottawa aviation author. His book on aviation safety is to be published next year.

http://www2.canada.com/theprovince/news ... 7841f7&p=1

[DeepEnd]

"one of the most technologically advanced modes of transport built"

They said that about the Titanic and look how long it took to find it.

[vinnied]

The way the metal is designed, displacement, etc. all play factors in how or why an object may float.

I understand how a ship made of metal can float, that's why I was saying some pictures or a better description would be nice. However its all irrelevant anyways, because once again, a false lead. Almost as though someone purposely put these 3 objects there though

[A_Britishcolumbian]

Missing Plane Mystery Solved?

Thursday, April 24th, 2014 | Posted by Kevin Barrett

Two former high-level insiders may have solved two of the mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Malaysian Flight 370:

What caused the plane to suddenly fly off-course? And why are all of the governments involved covering up the truth?
Had MH 370 crashed in the ocean, it would have left a huge, easily-visible debris field. Countries with satellite surveillance systems, and their partners, know exactly where the plane went. Boeing and its engine-manufacturer Rolls Royce also know, since planes and engines have GPS systems. (You can buy a GPS system for a little over $50 in the US; it would be naive to think a $320 million aircraft doesn’t have one.) Even the INMARSAT satellite “pings” that we have been told can only sweep a broad arc of possible locations could in reality be used to locate the aircraft with some precision, due to the fact that radio transmissions vary in signatures according to time of day, sunspots, and so on. The “hunt for the airliner” peddled to the mainstream media is clearly a charade.

So what are all of the major players – both in governments and the aircraft industry – working so hard to hide?

Matthias Chang, a barrister who served as Political Secretary to Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, explained during an exclusive Truth Jihad Radio interview that only a remote-hijacking fly-by-wire scenario can explain the plane’s disappearance. Chang’s views were confirmed by Gene “Chip” Tatum, a former Special Forces Air Combat Controller and US Army special operations pilot who has carried out ultra-sensitive missions at the direct orders of US Presidents.

Chang says the Malaysian government has been given sealed evidence by one or more foreign governments concerning the fate of MH-370. As a condition of receiving that evidence, Malaysia is not allowed to divulge it.

Matthias Chang is familiar with the highest levels of power in Malaysia. He presumably has some idea of what is in the sealed evidence. But if he did know, he could not say it directly.

Maybe that is why Matthias Chang recently sent an email to MH-370 investigators in the alternative media with a “hint”:
“WHAT IF THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MH 370 IS SUCH THAT IF THE TRUTH BE KNOWN AS TO HOW IT HAPPENED IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE A SECURITY ISSUE, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A GLOBAL IMPACT ON THE WORLD’S ECONOMY. ‘THINGS’ (USED IN A BROAD SENSE, AND SO YOU HAVE TO THINK WHAT ‘THINGS’ THAT) WOULD COME TO A COMPLETE HALT, ALMOST A COMPLETE SHUT DOWN.”

What “things” would “come to a complete halt” and badly damage the world economy if the truth about MH-370 were told?
Chip Tatum thinks those “things” are commercial airplanes. In our interview Friday night, Tatum suggested that the current generation of airliners’ fly-by-wire systems are extremely vulnerable to catastrophic sabotage, including electronic hijacking.

Tatum called the alleged search for the aircraft “a smokescreen… They’re keeping the media busy in the South Indian Ocean while things are being done in other areas. I think the government doesn’t want us to know what they know because they don’t think we can handle the truth.”

But what could that truth possibly be? Tatum explains: “If it were known that something is that easily hijacked by remote control, people would stop flying. And then you’re talking about a huge impact on business and everything else.”
So when Matthias Chang says that the truth about MH-370 would cause “things” to come to a complete halt, he is presumably referring to commercial air traffic. I asked Chang point blank if this was true. He did not deny it. But rather than confirm this hypothesis – which may be off-limits to direct discussion due to its inclusion in the sealed evidence Malaysia has been given – Chang directed me to his most recent article at FutureFastForward.com citing evidence that new technology allows planes to be flown from the ground.

Chip Tatum speculates that a bright teenager with a laptop and a cell phone could hack into commercial aircraft fly-by-wire systems. He explains that in newer aircraft, cables driven by pilot controls have been replaced by computers sending electronic signals. While technologies have been patented for protecting these fly-by-wire systems – notably US Patent #8,391,493, which the US government immediately “disappeared” from Patent Office records by invoking the Invention Secrecy Act – they apparently have not yet been implemented. If Tatum is right, commercial aircraft currently flying are wide-open for remote hijacking.

The scenario outlined by Chang and Tatum explains how MH370 was hijacked, and why all the major players are covering up the truth. But it does not explain who remote-hijacked MH370 and why.

One clue: Tatum provides evidence for the possible involvement of the CIA-based Bush crime family in the cover-up. The fake satellite trail to the remote and dangerous Southern Indian Ocean, a gigantic red herring, was fabricated by INMARSAT – whose largest owner, Harbinger Capital, is the new name for George H.W. Bush’s notorious Zapata Corporation.

Tatum has first-hand knowledge of the depravity and corruption of the Bush mob. While working in Special Operations for the CIA and US military in 1992, Tatum was personally ordered by then-President George H.W. Bush to “neutralize” Bush’s political opponent Ross Perot. Based on his past missions for Bush, Tatum understood those orders meant that Bush wanted him to force Perot out of the presidential race by any means necessary, including murder. (Tatum refused Bush’s orders – the beginning of the end of his career in Special Ops.)

Tatum has also revealed his knowledge of Bush-related CIA drug smuggling and mind control operations. He survived as a whistleblower due to the extremely sensitive documents and recordings he set up to be released in the event of his death or incapacitation-by-torture.

Tatum has released many other documents corroborating his stories of Bush’s corruption, CIA assassinations and mind-control. But despite his credibility, the mainstream media refuses to report such information.

If the Bush crime family is deceiving the world about an operation involving remote-hijacked airliners, it wouldn’t be the first time. On September 11th, 2001, fly-by-wire systems appear to have been used in the false flag attacks on New York and Washington. Bush loyalists and Israeli Mossad assets are the two main groups of suspects in those attacks. Could the same forces be involved in the theft of MH370 – perhaps as part of a plan to stage another plane-into-building false flag, as Christopher Bollyn has suggested?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/?p=299088

[DeepEnd]

As I wrote on March 16th, 8 days after the plane went missing.

Reports also say this may be the first remote hijacking. Have fun flying on a plane if some 12 year old can hack in with Flight Simulator 2013

Then a month and a half later....

Chip Tatum speculates that a bright teenager with a laptop and a cell phone could hack into commercial aircraft fly-by-wire systems.

Sure does take along time to crawl out of their bomb shelters to finally come up with that one.

While the article started off with interesting comments from a Malaysian insider it lost every and all creditability with this line...

Tatum has also revealed his knowledge of Bush-related CIA drug smuggling and mind control operations. He survived as a whistleblower due to the extremely sensitive documents and recordings he set up to be released in the event of his death or incapacitation-by-torture.

If he sits at home without releasing ALL his documents he's as bad as he says Bush is. He should stay in his bunker playing endless hours of "Call To Duty" and eat his MRE's in the dark.

[DeepEnd]

For those wishing to see a picture of the washed up debri this is the only on one so far I've found

They say they area is not accessible by foot but you can get their by 4x4 or motorbike.

[vinnied]

really hard to make out the debris in that photo, came across this one in the maldives though

parts catalog for boeing 777

[Iamsomeone]

Vinnied, I took a look at some of the comments on that page where it was posted. The first comment is dated March 25th so it's probably safe to say that it's been ruled out by now.

[vinnied]

Vinnied, I took a look at some of the comments on that page where it was posted. The first comment is dated March 25th so it's probably safe to say that it's been ruled out by now.

Oh I know when it was found, eerily similar to the Boeing 777 fire suppression device though dont ya think. Sure theres not a lot of them bobbing around the ocean. What was it dismissed as again?, I thought I read a mine

[NAB]

Well, the official search for debris related to MH370 on the ocean surface has now been terminated. NOTHING has been found. A search of the ocean bottom in the area will continue. I suspect that also will turn up nothing since I continue to be convinced they are looking in the wrong places and have been all along.

Nab

[Glacier]

The only thing I'm convinced of is that I need another drink. Everything else is still just speculation at this point.