Abuse of SWAT in USA

[Donald G]

To Smurf ...

IMO that could be said of a number of "out of reality" comments that Atomoa has come up with ... like the "hundreds killed in botched raids".

[JLives]

Show me the stats of these "few hundred people killed by botched raids". There are far more innocent people killed by gangs protecting their drug turf.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

[Captain Awesome]

So....roughly 30-40 over the last 30 years? Hmmmm, so much for "hundreds and hundreds of people dying in the hands of scary looking SWAT officers".

[JLives]

There is a statistic saying 500 people are killed by police every year referencing a Depart of Justice report floating around on the internet but I can't find the source material.

[Captain Awesome]

There is a statistic saying 500 people are killed by police every year referencing a Depart of Justice report floating around on the internet but I can't find the source material.

I was strictly talking about innocent victims of SWAT police actions from your link since you've provided it as some sort of "proof". And they stretch all the way from 1985. So, tops less than 2 people/year. I think more innocent people get killed by flying a kite.

Five hundred? I'd like to see that number, but I suspect it includes total deaths, not "innocent victims".

[JLives]

I posted the link with no commentary for a reason. I just wanted to show what the actual number seems to be.

[Captain Awesome]

I just wanted to show what the actual number seems to be.

Well, the actual number seems to be less than 2 people/year from the link you've provided. I'm not trying to twist numbers here in any way, and I don't have any of my own.

Now, do you think less than 2 people per year shows a significant problem when it comes to "militarization of police forces"? Keep in mind, over 100 police officers die every year doing their work, but thanks to using advanced tools and tactics (scary looking trucks, scary looking helmets, etc.), the number is actually down from over 300 officers/year in 70's when "militarization" began?

[Donald G]

People should keep in mind that;

Swat is American. ERT is Canadian.

More police are killed in the line of duty than people are killed by police for any and all reasons.

I can not recall the last time the police in Canada killed anyone in a "botched" raid. I believe it was about 25 years ago when one plain clothes police officer from one police force killed another during an entry at a high risk drug search in Toronto. The whole idea that very many such deaths have occurred in Canada is absolute fabrication.

One thousand, two hundred and fifty people are killed by drunk drivers in Canada each year helps put things in perspective.

[Captain Awesome]

More police are killed in the line of duty than people are killed by police for any and all reasons.

See, that's not true. While your argument seems to be valid, when you give erroneous data and statements, it doesn't help it.

2014: Number of police officers killed - 117. Number of people killed by LEO - 623.
2013: Number of police officers killed - 107. Number of people killed by LEO - 336.
2012: Number of police officers killed - 126. Number of people killed by LEO - 602.
2011: Number of police officers killed - 179. Number of people killed by LEO - 166.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fat ... /year.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_k ... ted_States

[oneh2obabe]

ERT is Canadian.

More police are killed in the line of duty than people are killed by police for any and all reasons.

5 police officers in Canada killed in 2014 & 2015
48 civilians in Canada killed by police in 2014 & 2015

[JLives]

You are more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist Donald.

[Captain Awesome]

I love senseless slogans. Good for emotional knee-jerk reaction, but not much more than that.

Here's another one - "More people are killed in the process of pleasuring themselves than by police while committing a crime!". Basically, you're more likely to die while touching yourself than in a stand off with LEO.

[JLives]

That was just for Donald's sake as he loves to fear monger about terrorists and used to be a cop.

[cutter7]

You are more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist Donald.

Thats a fact!

[Donald G]

The comments that I was addressing were in relation to the accusations and insinuations that the police IN CANADA wrongly killed people in BOTCHED RAIDS.

The one set of data is American History and the other one includes deaths from all reasons INCLUDING FULLY JUSTIFIED DEATHS THAT RESULT FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE POLICE POLICE.

No true picture is possible if each contributor is permitted to change the parameters at will.