Israel invades Gaza

[Atomoa]

Israel will not agree to any of those terms UNLESS AND UNTIL Hamas agrees to demolish its terror tunnels, stop firing rockets and disarm.

Steven,

I suggested that they open the borders and let the people of Gaza self determine (and feed themselves). End the 40+ year siege.

You said don't be so naive. (its never happened).

So, how long must the people inside the Gaza prison be kept that way? Give me a number of weeks/months/ years the people of Gaza must be subject to Israeli rule and marshal law while being 100% blockaded? Forever?

Hamas exists because the civilians elected them. Why did they elect them? Hamas exists, was elected and are firing rockets and making tunnels because the civilians are desperate, starving and being murdered and they are illegally occupied/subject to gross violations on international law. People locked in prisons make tunnels, Steven. They have no military, that's all they can do to resist. You say the civilians are kept that way for a reason and it's justified and legal because they cannot be trusted (whether missiles are flying or not). "Push us into the sea unless we keep them like that".

They stop firing missiles now and give up and what happens?

- They cant leave their own country. Nobody can come in
- no economy
- IDF can still kill/arrest whomever inside at will.
- 12 year old throws a rock and they bulldoze his mothers house.

Nobody in the world would accept that deal.

Meanwhile Israel views the whole Jordan valley as theirs, saying it openly now. So Gaza in prison forever, Israel annexes all of West Bank. Cross your fingers and wait till the Rapture.

So as per your logic and assertions, Gaza and their people must be kept in prison forever because they cannot be trusted.

Good luck with that.

[Atomoa]

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191 ceasefire violations vs 75 Palestinian violations.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali ... lestinians

Between November 2012 and today, it was Israel, not Hamas, that more frequently--and far more lethally--violated the terms of the ceasefire. During this time, Israel continued to carry out air strikes against whatever targets it deemed legitimate, and Israeli snipers fired on--and killed--farmers if they strayed too close to the Israeli-designated "buffer zone" along the Gaza-Israel border. The terms of the ceasefire also stipulated that Israel would lift its blockade of Gaza--which instead intensified, especially after the Egyptian military took over power after toppling Muslim Brotherhood President Mohamed Morsi a year ago.

[Atomoa]

Hamas leader Khaled Meshal reiterated the same commitments in a statement on July 27:

We are not fanatics, we are not fundamentalists. We are not actually fighting the Jews because they are Jews per se. We do not fight any other races. We fight the occupiers...I'm ready to coexist with the Jews, with the Christians and the Arabs and non-Arabs. However, I do not coexist with the occupiers.

[averagejoe]

I wonder how many of them are on here?

Israel To Pay Students For Pro-Israeli Social Media Propaganda

Israel has announced it will pay university students to circulate pro-Israeli information on social media networks, without having to identify themselves as working for the government.

The move was publicised in a statement from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office, the Associated Press reported. Students will receive scholarships to "engage international audiences online" and combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel, it was alleged.

In 2012, a Palestinian-run blog reported similar arrangements between the National Union of Israeli Students and the Israeli government. Students would be paid $2,000 to post pro-Israel messages online for five hours a week.

According to Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz, the most recent proposition is being spearheaded by Danny Seaman, who was slammed by the media for writing anti-Muslim messages on Facebook.

Students will be organised into units at each university, with a chief co-ordinator who receives a full scholarship, three desk co-ordinators for language, graphics and research who receive lesser scholarships and students termed “activists” who will receive a “minimal scholarship”, the Independent reported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08 ... 782.html?l

[maryjane48]

israel should be ashamed for bombing a un school absolutely disgusting

[brounal]

israel should be ashamed for bombing a un school absolutely disgusting

Little bit early to say they bombed a school when Hamas could have easily done it to get more publicity they have done similar things in the past. If you read thru these threads you will also see where the UN has also said on numerous occasions they have used schools to hide or shoot rockets near or from. Last ground invasion was a similar incicent that was investigated and in the end Israel was exonerated.
If the UN was worth anything at all it would be making sure that no one was storing and shooting rockets from civilian areas but they are not that kind of force in Gaza they do not police anything there. They are not there as peacekeepers and obviously they should be.
Hamas should be ashamed of firing rockets randomly into civilian areas. If you attack and store weapons on civilian areas and structures you make those areas and structures targets.

[steven lloyd]

So, how long must the people inside the Gaza prison be kept that way? Give me a number of weeks/months/ years the people of Gaza must be subject to Israeli rule and marshal law while being 100% blockaded? Forever?

UNTIL Hamas agrees to demolish its terror tunnels, stop firing rockets and disarm. Israel is not going to negotiate or agree to anything else until they can be assured of no further aggression from Hamas terrorists. The ball is in the court of Hamas.

Hamas exists because the civilians elected them. Why did they elect them? Hamas exists, was elected and are firing rockets and making tunnels because the civilians are desperate, starving and being murdered ....

No, Hamas are firing rockets and making tunnels because they are terrorists. The tunnels are used to bring in militants, weapons and munitions, and to launch terror missions into Israel. If they were concerned about the welfare of their citizens they would negotiate in good faith (ie. agree to some of Israel’s demands and not just make demands of their own without offering any concessions). If they were concerned about the welfare of their citizens they would use international aid money to help their citizens instead of spending the money on building tunnels and buying weapons. If they were concerned about the welfare of their citizens they would have accepted offers of medical aid. If they were concerned about the welfare of their citizens they would not deliberately fire rockets from places where citizens are congregating. If they were concerned about the welfare of their citizens they would honour cease-fires – or, at least, let people know before they were going to violate a cease-fire to give them time to find cover. I may have been wrong using the word naïve as it is just not strong enough. Shalom.

[peaceseeker]

There's a lot of talking by posters that seem to have it all figured out and not much actual listening to those that actually experienced life there. This guy is credible, more so than the usual gum Flapping by certain posters.

Dispelling the myths...

Miko Peled
http://mikopeled.com/

An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

Thanks peace seeker for posting this

You're welcome, WhatThe...glad you took the time to heed his words.

[averagejoe]

An Israeli sniper has admitted to killing 13 children in the Gaza Strip in one day, as Tel Aviv continues its aerial and ground attacks in the besieged enclave.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/31 ... g-13-kids/

[logicalview]

An Israeli sniper has admitted to killing 13 children in the Gaza Strip in one day, as Tel Aviv continues its aerial and ground attacks in the besieged enclave.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/31 ... g-13-kids/

Hmmm...could this be a hoax....it's not like there's been any other massive lies emanating from the jihadi-loving radical leftist blogger world...you would think an Israeli soldier would know how to spell the word "Muslims" at the very least...

[logicalview]

Hopefully that Al Jazeera reporter is crying just as hard on live TV over these three guys:

Three IDF soldiers killed at booby-trapped UNRWA health clinic

The international media will probably report this as a craven Israeli assault on a health clinic. In reality, the UNRWA clinic housed the opening of a jihad weapons smuggling tunnel. Here again, we see the UN being used by the jihadis — did UN officials know about this? This makes three UN schools and a health clinic aiding active jihad warfare — no one at the UN was aware of or on board with this? There needs to be a full investigation, and the defunding of the UN if it is found to be enabling war against a sovereign state. But this is the age of Obama, and there will be no such investigation.

“3 IDF soldiers killed in booby-trapped UNRWA clinic,” by Mitch Ginsburg, Times of Israel, July 30, 2014:

Three IDF soldiers were killed on Wednesday in Gaza in an explosion at a booby-trapped UNRWA health clinic that housed the opening of a tunnel, the IDF’s Gaza Division commander, Brig. Gen. Micky Edelstein, said.

Two of the three were named as Staff Sgt. Matan Gotlib, 21, of Rishon Lezion, and Staff Sgt. Omer Chai, 21, of Savion.

The three troops, part of the elite Maglan unit, were taking precautionary measures in efforts to limit damage to the structure before eliminating the tunnel, when the explosives detonated in the small building.

The troops had sent in sniffing dogs and a small robot to minimize damage to the structure, located in Khan Yunis, but explosives rigged to the building detonated, toppling part of the building on top of the soldiers.

Fifteen soldiers were injured. IDF soldiers evacuating the wounded came under fire from Palestinian fighters. All of the fatalities and injured were eventually brought back to Israeli territory.

The deaths brought the toll of IDF soldiers killed since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge to 56.

Edelstein said Hamas gunmen have used more than a thousand IEDs so far, destroying thousands of buildings in the Gaza Strip.

As an example he noted that in sweeps of a single street of 28 buildings Tuesday night, 19 were found to be booby-trapped.

In a briefing about progress in the campaign, IDF Southern Command head Maj. Gen. Sami Turgeman said “many hundreds” of Hamas operatives have been killed and that the IDF has destroyed hundreds of weapons storage facilities, and significantly compromised Hamas’s “terror infrastructure.”

Turgeman said the IDF is “days away” from completing the military goal of destroying all of the tunnels, though the process is complex. Four tunnels have been destroyed in the past 24 hours, he added.

Turgeman revealed that the IDF expanded its operation on Tuesday night, targeting new sites in the north and center of the coastal enclave.

With the amount of concrete Hamas poured into the tunnel project, two hospitals, 20 schools, 20 healthcare centers, and 100 kindergartens could have been built, he said.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/three ... lth-clinic

[logicalview]

Hamas’ Last Ceasefire Lasted 4 Minutes
July 30, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield



Surprisingly untrustworthy

Setting a new record for violating ceasefires is just one of the things that Hamas does besides plotting genocide and teaching its children to blow themselves up.

But Hamas may have set a new record with a 4 minute ceasefire.

Hamas terrorists waited four whole minutes to capitalise on a four-hour IDF humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza. With the ceasefire scheduled from 15:00 to 19:00 Wednesday, the relative quiet for residents of the south lasted all the way to 15:04, when a Code Red alarm was heard in Ashkelon and Ashdod. Additional attacks were recorded in the same areas at 15:17 and 15:18

This is why ceasefires with terrorists don’t work.

Terrorists don’t honor agreements. That’s why they’re terrorists. One of the reasons anyway.

But now that Hamas has gotten it down to 4 minutes, maybe it, Kerry and Qatar can work on a 30 second ceasefire.

[logicalview]

Bolivia declares Israel ‘terrorist state’, scraps visa exemption agreement

Bolivia has declared Israel to be a “terrorist state” and renounced a visa exemption agreement with the country in protest over the ongoing Israeli military offense in Gaza which already killed more than 1,300 dead and left over 7,000 wounded.

http://rt.com/news/176852-bolivia-israe ... ist-state/

Oh no!! Bolivia is taking the side of Hamas! Who saw that coming! LOL

[averagejoe]

Hmmm...could this be a hoax....it's not like there's been any other massive lies emanating from the jihadi-loving radical leftist blogger world...you would think an Israeli soldier would know how to spell the word "Muslims" at the very least...

Maybe he was so pumped by killing 13 children that he spelled Muslims wrong? Or maybe that's the way Israeli's spell Muslim too?

[logicalview]

I'm going to my MP's office tmmr. Screw this. This is evil. This is murder.

Oh please please tell us what time. There are a lot of us here who would love to see an uber-entitled delusional Hamas dupe crying his eyes out about how Hamas is pure as the driven snow and it's not fair that Israel is trying to stop incursions via terror tunnels (whose concrete could have gone to building two hospitals, 20 schools, 20 healthcare centers, and 100 kindergartens) that cost the lives of 160 Palestinian children. That would be a sight to behold indeed.