Here we go again: another missing airplane

[omisimaw]

JAKARTA: None of the bodies found so far in the hunt for the downed Indonesia AirAsia flight QZ8501 were wearing life jackets, an official from Indonesia's search and rescue agency (Basarnas) said on Wednesday, contradicting earlier reports that one of the bodies had a life jacket on.

"There was a victim, a man, and a life jacket. They were found apart. He was not wearing a life jacket," Basarnas operations deputy, Major-General Tatang Zaenuddin, was quoted as saying by a report on Detik.com news website.

"So far, none of the bodies had life jackets on."

Earlier, the official was cited as saying a body recovered from the crashed plane was wearing a life jacket, raising questions about how the disaster unfolded.

"This morning, we recovered a total of four bodies and one of them was wearing a life jacket," Tatang Zaenudin said according to Reuters. He declined to speculate on what the find might mean.

Most of those on board were Indonesians. No survivors have been found.

Earlier on Wednesday, Basarnas chief F. H. Bambang Soelistyo said that one female body recovered on Wednesday was dressed in an air stewardess' uniform.

The other three bodies retrieved on Wednesday were male, officials said.

Together with the two female and one male body recovered on Tuesday, it brings the total number of bodies recovered so far to seven - three female and four male.

Rescuers believe they have found the plane on the ocean floor off Borneo, after sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.

Ships and planes had been scouring the Java Sea for flight QZ8501 since Sunday, when it lost contact during bad weather about 40 minutes into its flight from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore. - The Straits Times/ANN

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/12/31/Airasia-no-body-with-life-vest/

Gale-force winds and high waves have forced search teams to suspend their work recovering the bodies of AirAsia flight QZ8501 passengers and crew from the Java Sea.

Since Tuesday afternoon, searchers off the coast of Borneo had found the bodies of four men and three women, said Indonesia’s search and rescue chief, Henry Bambang Soelistyo. One was wearing an AirAsia flight attendant uniform.

However, an official clarified an earlier statement he had made that one of the bodies recovered had been wearing a life jacket. “There is no victim that has been found wearing a life jacket,” said Tatang Zaenudin, deputy head of operations at the national search and rescue agency. “We found a body at 8.20am and a life jacket at 10.32am so there was a time difference. This is the latest information we have.”

Divers and sonar-equipped ships were standing by to continue the search once weather conditions improved. Soelistyo said the plane’s fuselage had not yet been found.

However, sonar imaging has established the presence of an object 100-165 feet (30-50 metres) under water, which officials say could be the body of the plane. No survivors have been found, and the plane’s black box flight data and cockpit voice recorder have not been recovered.
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When the weather eases ships will continue to scour the Karimata Strait, about 60 miles (100km) from the plane’s last recorded coordinates, where searchers began finding scattered debris on Tuesday, including an oxygen bottle, an unopened blue suitcase and a life raft.

Aviation experts are trying to figure out whether the plane hit the water intact or broke up in mid-air. “It’s important to know because that tells you whether it was a force like a storm that destroyed the plane in the air or if it was a matter of the pilots losing control and never able to recover from it,” the Australia-based aviation security expert Desmond Ross told the Washington Post.

Experts said any details about the use of the life jacket would provide insight into whether people on board the plane had had time to prepare themselves before they hit the water.

If a passenger was wearing a life jacket, “it means the thing didn’t just fall out of the sky”, an unnamed pilot told Reuters, adding that a plane could fall from 30,000 feet to sea level in about a minute, and that the pilots may have been “too overloaded” to send out a distress call.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/airasia-flight-qz8501-sea-bed-sonar-image-believed-to-be-missing-plane

Debris floating in the water is just that at this point. If it was onboard the aircraft then it is totally reasonable to find things floating in the waters. However it is not an indication of anything other than debris dislodged and floating in the ocean.

Speculation and rumour mongering = overactive imagination

Lots of official reports on the net. Once they have the reporting equipment, is when a ton will be positively known.

[maryjane48]

The prospect that a small explosion caused AirAsia flight QZ8501 to crash is one theory being considered to explain the plane crash, an aviation expert told ABC News.

John Nance, a former Air Force pilot and ABC News consultant, says that a bomb may have gone off inside the aircraft which would explain why it abruptly went off radar screens and sent no distress signals in the moments before it crashed into the Java Sea on Sunday with 162 people on board.

"Maybe one that wasn't strong enough to blow the airplane into pieces at altitude, but maybe one that blew the control cables from the hydraulics," Nance told ABC News.

The plane is thought to be largely intact because search and rescue workers believe they see the shadow of a plane in the relatively shallow water.

Another possible explanation is that the AirAsia flight QZ8501 suffered a similar disaster that doomed an Air France crash in 2009 as it traveled from Rio de Janeiro to Paris and crashed in the Atlantic Ocean.



http://abcnews.go.com/International/air ... d=27903949




A fisherman reportedly heard a loud explosion at around the same time Flight QZ8501 disappeared from radar.

The man's claims are reported in a newspaper based on the Indonesian island of Belitung.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... an-4886910

[Dizzy1]

Speculation and rumour mongering = overactive imagination

There is nothing wrong with speculating, that's what discussion forums and in situations like this, the media are there for. When it comes to aviation topics, I tend to take the media with a grain of salt as they tend to get things a bit mixed up. I know better not to make a conclusion on what happened until after the investigation is complete, but before its wrapped up, myself as many in the aviation community enjoy speculating and throwing around ideas.

[peaceseeker]

AirAsia Bombshell! Alstom Energy Director, Involved In $4 Billion In Bribes, Was On QZ8501 DAHBOO77

- See more at: http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/vid ... 18dB6.dpuf



Mega-High-Stakes Issues Involved...

ForbiddenKnowledgeTV
Alexandra Bruce
December 31, 2014

While Obama was golfing with the Indonesian Prime Minister (during a national emergency flood in that country), AirAsia Flight QZ8501 crashed Into the ocean (the cause won't be "known," i.e., propagated by our good friends in the mainstream media) for at least a month), we discover that the Director of Alstom Energy, involved in a $4 Billion bribery scheme was aboard that flight with his infant daughter.

And that's just the beginning.

This video delves into the many mega-high-stakes issues, which were in play with that flight, that airline and some of the interesting people aboard that plane.

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SOURCES:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/sin ... 53934.html

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ar-opening

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busi ... ?style=biz

http://www.dw.de/airbus-shares-tumble-a ... a-18123404

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busi ... -insurance

http://www.elp.com/articles/2014/05/ge- ... -deal.html

http://www.alstom.com/press-centre/2014 ... -electric/

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11378519

http://www.undergroundworldnews.com

- See more at: http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/vid ... 18dB6.dpuf

[maryjane48]

it still boggles my mind that a fair amount of people don't see the big shell game that gets played with us mere workers and slaves , lil bomb placed in right place , plane cant fly and wham , no more big wig from energy company

[peaceseeker]

it still boggles my mind that a fair amount of people don't see the big shell game that gets played with us mere workers and slaves , lil bomb placed in right place , plane cant fly and wham , no more big wig from energy company

Shouldn't be surprising, lakevixen...many people live in a state of preferred ignorance.

[omisimaw]

A tragedy has occurred and you all are smoking what to come up and/ or agree with these futile conspiracy theories!

Wow, there are some far, far out minds working overtime on this thread LOL

[maryjane48]

A tragedy has occurred and you all are smoking what to come up and/ or agree with these futile conspiracy theories!

Wow, there are some far, far out minds working overtime on this thread LOL

you do not find it odd that the one person who could have pointed the finger at general electric ,knowing about bribes going on in the company they took over , ends up dead?

[omisimaw]

No, not in the least....coincidental, a tragedy, *bleep* happens, their turn, or maybe karma, but realistically - weather first, then to mechanical or pilot error during severe weather conditions.....

[zookeeper]

How sad for the lives lost in this crash, whatever the reason, but I am glad they found the plane so the families can get closure. I hope eventually the other is found for the same reason.

[Dizzy1]

How sad for the lives lost in this crash, whatever the reason, but I am glad they found the plane so the families can get closure. I hope eventually the other is found for the same reason.

I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have a loved one's remains in that kind of state and situation, trapped in the depths of a sea ... let alone to have their body recovered on international media. Images like that are very powerful for us never mind for friends and family.

[annexi]

you do not find it odd that the one person who could have pointed the finger at general electric ,knowing about bribes going on in the company they took over , ends up dead?

Where did you hear that?

[maryjane48]

Look at peacemakers link

[omisimaw]

why is it so difficult for some to realize that *bleep* happens and in bad weather planes do go down! why does it always have to be a murder mystery of international proportions.

[maryjane48]

why is it so difficult for some to realize that *bleep* happens and in bad weather planes do go down! why does it always have to be a murder mystery of international proportions.

maybre because it is, now turns out plane wasnt allowed to fly that route and the airport tower officials had been fired but alas not really until the flight had taken off , plot thickens :)