Tic ...Toc ... Israel

[sobrohusfat]

Don't be scared to support a One State Solution
By Caroline B. Glick

PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas must have gotten a kick out of it on Monday when he visited the White House and President Barack Obama praised him as "somebody who has consistently renounced violence, has consistently sought a diplomatic and peaceful solution that allows for two states, side by side, in peace and security."

After all, the same day the men met, Abbas's regime continued its week-long celebration of the deadliest Palestinian terrorist attack on Israel to date. On March 11, 1978, PLO terrorists commandeered a passenger bus on the coastal highway and massacred 37 people, including 12 children. Dalal Mughrabi, a female terrorist, led the raid. Ever since, she has been lionized by the PLO.

While he met with Obama, Abbas's adviser Sultan Abu al-Einein proclaimed that Mughrabi was the ultimate role model for Palestinian women. In Einein's words, (reported by Palestinian Media Watch), "In March, [we mark] Palestinian Women's Day, in March, Palestinian Mother's Day also occurs, in March… [we remember Dalal Mughrabi] who would not agree to anything other than to establish her state between Jaffa and Lebanon in her special way." Einein urged Palestinian youth to follow Mughrabi's example of mass murder. "Let the young people hear me: Allah, honor us with Martyrdom, Allah, give us the honor of being part of the procession of Martyrs."

The Israeli Right didn't need the Mughrabi festival to understand that Obama's claim that Abbas wants peace is ridiculous. As Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon explained last Saturday, Abbas is "a partner for taking, not for giving." Israeli Leftists, who have slavishly championed Abbas, are finally catching on. Last month, in an op-ed in Haaretz, long-time PLO champion Shlomo Avineri acknowledged the dynamic at work in the two-state policy model and how Abbas uses it to Israel's disadvantage.

Avineri wrote that it is not that Abbas "is no partner for talks, but that he is an excellent partner for talks — as long as they are talks designed to lead Israel to make more and more concessions, and to put them in writing. Then, on one pretext or another, he is unwilling to sign and brings the negotiations to a halt, so they can be restarted in the future 'where they left off': with all the previous Israeli concessions included, and no concessions having been put forward by the Palestinian side."
In other words, Abbas negotiates not to achieve peace, but to weaken Israel. But the Americans remain oblivious to all of this. And by now it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Obama's [and Atomoa's} ignorance of the nature of Abbas's game is deliberate.

His apparently deliberate blindness to the obvious indicates that Obama doesn't have a problem with Abbas's behavior and goals. The lesson from Abbas's real game and Obama's apparent support for it is that the status quo is devastating for Israel.
For the past 20 years, Israel has confined itself to a paradigm of two-states. Under this model, since 1994 it has shared control over Judea and Samaria with the PLO. As statements like Ya'alon's and Avineri's make clear, their experience with this model has shown Israelis across the political spectrum that the Palestinians' primary goal is not to build a Palestinian state. It is today what it has always been: the eradication of the Jewish state.

For the Palestinians, the two-state strategy isn't about receiving land from Israel in exchange for peace. The two-state strategy is about undermining Israel's relations with the US and other Western allies and weakening Israeli society's resolve to defend itself while the PLO builds its terrorist infrastructure for use when deemed appropriate. Abbas's unique contribution to this strategy is that he places economic, diplomatic and legal attacks on Israel rather than terrorism at the forefront.
Not that he opposes terrorism. Just like his predecessors, Abbas believes that all means for achieving Israel's destruction are legitimate. And Israel cannot help but assist him.

Due to Israel's continued acceptance of the two-state policy model it continues to share control over Judea and Samaria with the PLO. This joint control encourages acceptance of the PLO's propaganda claim that Israel is a foreign occupier of the areas, and that they rightfully belong to the Palestinians who are dominated by an illegal Israeli occupation.
Israel's continued abidance by this paradigm makes it impossible for its representatives to defend the country against PLO challenges to its legitimacy. Hence most Israelis assume, rightly, that Israel is powerless to defend itself from the PLO's political warfare at places like the UN and the International Court of Justice. The only way that Israel can defend itself against these PLO abuses, the only way it can stop the PLO from continuing to undermine its alliances with the US and friendly parts of Europe, is by ending its embrace of the status quo. So, too, the only way Israel can stop the PLO's expansion of its security forces into a full-fledged military force, armed and trained by the US and Europe, is by abandoning shared control and ditching the two-state model.

Like the rest of the world, today, due to its abidance by the two-state formula, Israel's default position is that it is the occupier of its own historic homeland without which its borders are indefensible and its existence is incomprehensible.
The only way for Israel to defend itself competently in the international arena is for its default position to rest on Israel's historic and legal rights to the areas — that is, to stop accepting that these areas, to which Israel has a stronger legal claim than the Palestinians, belong to the Palestinians and begin asserting Israel's positive case for sovereignty.

[Static]

There’s a massive difference between this ruse of a proposed peaceful two-state solution and what the Hamas jihadi extremists have clearly set out as their end goal in their manifesto. If you are unable to recognize just how different these concepts are, maybe you should climb out of your mother’s basement, and form questions instead of uneducated opinion.

Good one, budz. How about you explain it to me.

[Static]

Don't be scared to support a One State Solution
By Caroline B. Glick

PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas must have gotten a kick out of it on Monday when he visited the White House and President Barack Obama praised him as "somebody who has consistently renounced violence, has consistently sought a diplomatic and peaceful solution that allows for two states, side by side, in peace and security."

After all, the same day the men met, Abbas's regime continued its week-long celebration of the deadliest Palestinian terrorist attack on Israel to date. On March 11, 1978, PLO terrorists commandeered a passenger bus on the coastal highway and massacred 37 people, including 12 children. Dalal Mughrabi, a female terrorist, led the raid. Ever since, she has been lionized by the PLO.

While he met with Obama, Abbas's adviser Sultan Abu al-Einein proclaimed that Mughrabi was the ultimate role model for Palestinian women. In Einein's words, (reported by Palestinian Media Watch), "In March, [we mark] Palestinian Women's Day, in March, Palestinian Mother's Day also occurs, in March… [we remember Dalal Mughrabi] who would not agree to anything other than to establish her state between Jaffa and Lebanon in her special way." Einein urged Palestinian youth to follow Mughrabi's example of mass murder. "Let the young people hear me: Allah, honor us with Martyrdom, Allah, give us the honor of being part of the procession of Martyrs."

The Israeli Right didn't need the Mughrabi festival to understand that Obama's claim that Abbas wants peace is ridiculous. As Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon explained last Saturday, Abbas is "a partner for taking, not for giving." Israeli Leftists, who have slavishly championed Abbas, are finally catching on. Last month, in an op-ed in Haaretz, long-time PLO champion Shlomo Avineri acknowledged the dynamic at work in the two-state policy model and how Abbas uses it to Israel's disadvantage.

Avineri wrote that it is not that Abbas "is no partner for talks, but that he is an excellent partner for talks — as long as they are talks designed to lead Israel to make more and more concessions, and to put them in writing. Then, on one pretext or another, he is unwilling to sign and brings the negotiations to a halt, so they can be restarted in the future 'where they left off': with all the previous Israeli concessions included, and no concessions having been put forward by the Palestinian side."
In other words, Abbas negotiates not to achieve peace, but to weaken Israel. But the Americans remain oblivious to all of this. And by now it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that Obama's [and Atomoa's} ignorance of the nature of Abbas's game is deliberate.

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His apparently deliberate blindness to the obvious indicates that Obama doesn't have a problem with Abbas's behavior and goals. The lesson from Abbas's real game and Obama's apparent support for it is that the status quo is devastating for Israel.
For the past 20 years, Israel has confined itself to a paradigm of two-states. Under this model, since 1994 it has shared control over Judea and Samaria with the PLO. As statements like Ya'alon's and Avineri's make clear, their experience with this model has shown Israelis across the political spectrum that the Palestinians' primary goal is not to build a Palestinian state. It is today what it has always been: the eradication of the Jewish state.

For the Palestinians, the two-state strategy isn't about receiving land from Israel in exchange for peace. The two-state strategy is about undermining Israel's relations with the US and other Western allies and weakening Israeli society's resolve to defend itself while the PLO builds its terrorist infrastructure for use when deemed appropriate. Abbas's unique contribution to this strategy is that he places economic, diplomatic and legal attacks on Israel rather than terrorism at the forefront.
Not that he opposes terrorism. Just like his predecessors, Abbas believes that all means for achieving Israel's destruction are legitimate. And Israel cannot help but assist him.

Due to Israel's continued acceptance of the two-state policy model it continues to share control over Judea and Samaria with the PLO. This joint control encourages acceptance of the PLO's propaganda claim that Israel is a foreign occupier of the areas, and that they rightfully belong to the Palestinians who are dominated by an illegal Israeli occupation.
Israel's continued abidance by this paradigm makes it impossible for its representatives to defend the country against PLO challenges to its legitimacy. Hence most Israelis assume, rightly, that Israel is powerless to defend itself from the PLO's political warfare at places like the UN and the International Court of Justice. The only way that Israel can defend itself against these PLO abuses, the only way it can stop the PLO from continuing to undermine its alliances with the US and friendly parts of Europe, is by ending its embrace of the status quo. So, too, the only way Israel can stop the PLO's expansion of its security forces into a full-fledged military force, armed and trained by the US and Europe, is by abandoning shared control and ditching the two-state model.

Like the rest of the world, today, due to its abidance by the two-state formula, Israel's default position is that it is the occupier of its own historic homeland without which its borders are indefensible and its existence is incomprehensible.
The only way for Israel to defend itself competently in the international arena is for its default position to rest on Israel's historic and legal rights to the areas — that is, to stop accepting that these areas, to which Israel has a stronger legal claim that the Palestinians, belong to the Palestinians and begin asserting Israel's positive case for sovereignty.

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What is your point? Rather than cut and paste, explain what you are trying to say.

[sobrohusfat]

Personal attack

[ferri]

Stay on topic and do not make this personal!

[Glacier]

It’s time Canada ended its double standard that considers Israeli settlements ‘illegal’

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... ts-illegal

[Queen K]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/politics/ ... index.html

Why? Even the Trump administration is having trouble with their support of illegal settlements.

Here it is, Trump having a NEW stance. A new one, as opposed to the old one, which was what exactly?

Here:

President Donald Trump's administration warned Thursday that new Israeli settlement activity could potentially hamper the peace process, a new stance for a White House that's remained adamant in its support for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Despite the shift, the White House said it hadn't taken an official position on Israeli settlements, saying it would wait until Trump meets with Netanyahu later this month to formally develop a position.
"While we don't believe the existence of settlements is an impediment to peace, the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement.

[sobrohusfat]

Why? ...

because You - Obama - Trump - Atomoa and friends - the entire EU - the collective U-nited N-utjobs - and every member of the Muslim Brotherhood can all decide to give Jews living and building in the heart of their historical homeland the unique designation of "illegal" in one massive happy circle-jerk ...it still won't make it so.

You're all just lucky the Israelis aren't stupid - aren't evil - and value the rule of law over barbarism. Which is why cowardly Lib-tards feel so free to enthusiastically target them and not the real brutal F#%*-up nations around the world. They know they can spit in Israel's face and always walk away alive. Israel's been far more restrained with the lot then they should have been all this time.

[The Green Barbarian]

Why? Even the Trump administration is having trouble with their support of illegal settlements.
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Which illegal settlements?

[Queen K]

Why? Even the Trump administration is having trouble with their support of illegal settlements.
.

Which illegal settlements?

From the article

"While we don't believe the existence of settlements is an impediment to peace, the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement.


You might also want to watch the news clip.

[sobrohusfat]

[The Green Barbarian]

From the article

"While we don't believe the existence of settlements is an impediment to peace, the construction of new settlements or the expansion of existing settlements beyond their current borders may not be helpful in achieving that goal," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said in a statement.


You might also want to watch the news clip.

Did he actually use the word "illegal" in describing the settlements? Because if he did that would be incorrect, or "fake news".

[sobrohusfat]

[FreeRights]

because You - Obama - Trump - Atomoa and friends - the entire EU - the collective U-nited N-utjobs - and every member of the Muslim Brotherhood can all decide to give Jews living and building in the heart of their historical homeland the unique designation of "illegal" in one massive happy circle-jerk ...it still won't make it so.

You're all just lucky the Israelis aren't stupid - aren't evil - and value the rule of law over barbarism. Which is why cowardly Lib-tards feel so free to enthusiastically target them and not the real brutal F#%*-up nations around the world. They know they can spit in Israel's face and always walk away alive. Israel's been far more restrained with the lot then they should have been all this time.

I'm not sure what your definition of "restrained" is, but based on the horrific atrocities from both sides of this conflict, I guess the bench mark is simply not wiping each other off the map.

I haven't taken a side in this conflict of yet. Absolutely Hamas has and continues to commit unspeakable acts, but if you're at all familiar with Mossad in Israel, I'm not sure we can call what they've done "restrained."

[sobrohusfat]

You're confused at my use of the word restrained ...and with the Israeli-Arab conflict in general - that's too bad.
A superficial interest in the topic will do that.

Mossad? ...you mean Shlomo Mossad - that Cous-cous peddler from Jiljilya? Yeah, I heard he was a real Schmuck.



But look, Static likes your post - so there's that.