Indiana Religious Freedom Bill

[JLives]

That would have been my first thought also, but she took it to the next level knowingly after it was explained to her.

If she believes in "freedom of religion", she would have acknowledged it and sat in the next chair.

As she should have. A business transaction in our country should be free from discrimination. You are free to practice your religion but not when it infringes on the human rights of others. Religion is not a free pass or excuse for discrimination.

[steven lloyd]

I threw a couple of people out of our business and told them not to come back and I believe that was my right.

You have the right to refuse service to people who are rude, loud, obnoxious, threatening, belligerent, etc.
You don't have the right to refuse service to people who identify as Christian, Muslim, gay or look like they are poor.

[Glacier]

I got kicked out a Chinese restaurant once and told to never come back because I was poor. After my 4th or 5th plate at the buffet the lady came running out shouting, "You go now! You go now! No come back!"

[The Green Barbarian]

As she should have. A business transaction in our country should be free from discrimination. You are free to practice your religion but not when it infringes on the human rights of others. Religion is not a free pass or excuse for discrimination.

a here's where if you had gotten off your high horse and watched the video you would know the scenario you are describing is a "fake" human right. You don't have the right in Canada to force someone to cut your hair. You do have the right not to be enslaved by someone else and forced to do something against your will. What was happening with the Muslim barber was a "shakedown", thanks to the fake human rights industry in this country. Ontario is especially bad.

[The Green Barbarian]

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You don't have the right to refuse service to people who identify as Christian, Muslim, gay or look like they are poor.

so if I walk into a spa looking and smelling like a hobo, tell them upfront that I only have $5 in my pocket, but am wanting a $200 hot rock massage, they don't "have the right" to tell me that they won't serve me? Really? That just can't be "right".

[JLives]

so if I walk into a spa looking and smelling like a hobo, tell them upfront that I only have $5 in my pocket, but am wanting a $200 hot rock massage, they don't "have the right" to tell me that they won't serve me? Really? That just can't be "right".

That's not a right. You also can't buy a steak for $1 if the price says $10.

[JLives]

a here's where if you had gotten off your high horse and watched the video you would know the scenario you are describing is a "fake" human right. You don't have the right in Canada to force someone to cut your hair. You do have the right not to be enslaved by someone else and forced to do something against your will. What was happening with the Muslim barber was a "shakedown", thanks to the fake human rights industry in this country. Ontario is especially bad.

If you don't have a legitimate source I'm not interested.

If you are a hairdresser you are expected to cut hair. It's pretty straight forward and there is no force involved.

You are the one always saying if you don't like your wage, choose another job. Well if you don' t like your clients, choose another job.

[steven lloyd]

so if I walk into a spa looking and smelling like a hobo, tell them upfront that I only have $5 in my pocket, but am wanting a $200 hot rock massage, they don't "have the right" to tell me that they won't serve me? Really? That just can't be "right".

It's not - because you said up front you could not afford to pay for the product/service. You really think this is a point?

[The Green Barbarian]

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It's not - because you said up front you could not afford to pay for the product/service. You really think this is a point?

you are dodging the real question. Must be reading too many of Statics posts (har). You say businesses don't have the "right" to deny me service if I "look" poor. The amount I have in my pocket is irrelevant. I "look" poor in my example. You say therefore they should still give me an expensive massage. Do I have it right?

[steven lloyd]

You say businesses don't have the "right" to deny me service if I "look" poor. The amount I have in my pocket is irrelevant. I "look" poor in my example. You say therefore they should still give me an expensive massage.

Can you afford the service? If you can then you should get the massage.

[The Green Barbarian]

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Can you afford the service? If you can then you should get the massage.

hmmmm....all right.

[Jonrox]

Show where I said or suggested any of that crap.

You suggested businesses shouldn't have to follow this specific law and should be able to run their business however they see fit. I'm wondering where you draw the line at what laws they should have to follow.

[Glacier]

hmmmm....all right.

What Steven Lloyd is getting at is that your analogy is poor. There's a huge difference between stealing (ie. not paying the agreed upon price) and discrimination (refusing service even though the other party is willing to pay the agreed upon price).

The question is whether or not this bill is discrimination. Here is an interesting interview from CBC's As It Happens... http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as- ... -1.3018369

[nikonfan]

If you read the law that was passed it is very similar to the one signed by Bill.Clinton and passed by 19 other states in the past 20 years. It does NOT give any business the right to discriminate because someone is gay, bi, muslum,or whatever and it would be business suicide if they did. What the law does allow is a business to not have to provide a service or help celebrate something that goes against their religion. In the past year there have been a few situations where a photographer and baker refused to take pictures and bake cakes for same sex weddings. In the same manner what if an electrician or plumber refused to work at an abortion clinic because of very deep beliefs that they feel it is wrong or a magazine not wanting to advertise for the NRA because they are apposed to guns? Are we now also going to force Christian or Muslum churches to preform gay marriages? This law protects the convictions some people hold dear. I think that tolerance has to go both ways . A christian, muslum or anybody discriminating against gay people is completely wrong and should be called out but calling christians intolerant because they the don't agree with gay marriage and don't want to provide a service is just as discriminatory and intolerant. Lets face it, gay rights have come so far in the past 20 years and the US or Canada and thankfully we don't throw gay people off roofs like they do in other country's but it does not mean that everybody has to agree with it. Sometimes we just have agree to disagree but we can still get along. Find a business that will be more than happy to provide a service and do it way better than a person who's heart is not in it and is being forced into it. I can guarantee the service will be awful. We still do have rights to believe what we want to without bieng intolerant or vengeful.

[Glacier]

You are quite right, nikonfan. The video that sobrohusfat posted explains it quite well. Nobody has a religion that says they have to deny service to gay people, the way the other side portrays this issue. That completely distorts reality and makes this seem like a segregated lunch counter in the South. In truth you can’t think of a single person who has said "My religion says I can’t sell goods and services to gay people." Nobody.

This law protects people from getting sued for refusing to do things that go against their conscience. For example, a Jewish tatoo artist might want to refuse to do a tatoo of the swastika, but he will not deny the person service if he asks from something else.

It goes for any business that caters to the public. People such as website designers, videographers, social media specialists and advertising agencies that devise campaigns--if asked to advocate political or religious platforms -- have a right under the law to decline. This is what the law is meant to do. To avoid more frivolous lawsuits in sue happy America.