Jeb Bush: Christian businesses can refuse to serve

[JLives]

If the people believe that they are forbidden to make a gay cake, then that is their right. Their fear of retribution, or judgement from their god trumps the feelings of the gay couple. If they want a cake, then go to a different baker. If the priest doesn't feel comfortable marrying them, find one who is. That is how they interpreted their holy book. They should not be forced to, nor should they be sued for it. They don't condone, or support homosexuality, which is their choice. That should not be forced on them. They don't have a sign in front of their establishment saying "no gays". They didn't go around disrupting gay weddings. They were quietly going about their business before someone decided to make a big deal about it, and possibly win a lawsuit at the same time. It's articles like this that make it very hard for a lot of people to respect the gay community.

Nothing is being forced on the zealots except for having to treat people equally. If you are worried baking a cake for two dudes will send you to the pits of hell forever than you aren't really cut out for baking for the public. There are plenty of people in every religion capable of reconciling their faith with treating people equally. Bigotry under the guise of religion is still just bigotry. Nobody is saying you can't believe in whatever you want but you don't get to use your beliefs to try to deny rights to others.

[oneh2obabe]

**Doubt if this ruling will have an impact in North America but one never knows.**

A bakery that refused to ice a cake with a pro-gay marriage slogan discriminated on grounds of sexual orientation, a court has found.

The ruling, made by District Judge Isobel Brownlie at Belfast County Court, brings to an end a landmark legal action.

Delivering her 90-minute judgment to a packed courtroom, Judge Brownlie called the bakery's cancellation of the order "direct discrimination for which there can be no justification".

The judge said the bakery was a business, not a religious organisation, and therefore had no legal basis to reject an order based on a customer's sexual orientation or beliefs.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/gay-cake-bake ... .html?vp=1

[FreeRights]

If the people believe that they are forbidden to make a gay cake, then that is their right. Their fear of retribution, or judgement from their god trumps the feelings of the gay couple.

Is it their right to conduct discrimination on a same sex couple? There's nothing in the Bible that forbids them from making a cake for a gay couple, so that specific belief is a personal opinion. Should business owners be permitted to discriminate? Should they be permitted to only hire white males?

That is how they interpreted their holy book. They should not be forced to, nor should they be sued for it. They don't condone, or support homosexuality, which is their choice. That should not be forced on them.

They should not have to condone or support it, but they cannot have a religious defense against it. Again, the Bible doesn't say "no baking cakes for the gays."

They were quietly going about their business before someone decided to make a big deal about it, and possibly win a lawsuit at the same time. It's articles like this that make it very hard for a lot of people to respect the gay community.

God forbid we want to be treated equally. You know, literally the same as anybody else.

[MattJ]

It's not just Christians, it's Muslims as well, and they don't read the Bible, they read the Quran. There are parts in both that prohibit engaging in homosexuality. It's no different from being a conscientious objector during war. Their religion forbids them from participating. It's their right to refuse service if it goes against their religious beliefs. Whether or not you agree. Not everybody is an atheist. Some people are devout without being extremist, or bigots. How do you know that when they refused to serve them, they didn't apologise, and explain why? If they had done that, then the gay couple should have had the decency to respect that and move on. Instead, they're looking for a win-fall, and publicity.

[The Green Barbarian]

It is a human right to not be discriminated against based on gender, race, age, sexual orientation, disability or religion. This includes frequenting places of business in your community. Freedom of religion means freedom to practice your religion, it does not give you the right to discriminate against others based on a belief system. Religion is the only thing in that group that you choose.

In the case of the Muslim barber though, the lady that demanded that he cut her hair against his will could have gone to a hundred other shops that would have gladly taken her business. She deliberately targeted a person knowing full well that what she was asking was against his religion, and that he wouldn't and couldn't serve her. It just seemed like she was looking for a fake Human Rights Tribunal pay-day, and she got it.

As a constitutional expert I watched said, in this case, in a court of law, this lady would have lost. Her fake right to force someone to cut her hair (which you have spun as her right not be discriminated against) isn't trumped by forcing someone to do something against their will. You may not like that, as its obvious you hate all religions, but that's that.

[JLives]

I'm not spinning anything, it IS discrimination. Businesses aren't people, they do not have a religion. Any person should be able to walk into any place of business and conduct business, not be turned away for reason that is beyond their control like their gender.

[Glacier]

I'm not spinning anything, it IS discrimination. Businesses aren't people, they do not have a religion. Any person should be able to walk into any place of business and conduct business, not be turned away for reason that is beyond their control like their gender.

What if I'm a Nazi, and ask a Jewish baker to make me a cake with the phrase Hail Hitler on it? Should the Jew be allowed to discriminate?

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[Smurf]

Excellent video. I have to agree with him. One thing I don't agree with is that people are changing to be the same. They are just hiding their true feelings and building up resentment. This is not progress it is regress.