Electric cars/Tesla/Solar power

[goatboy]

Given nuclear fusion powers the sun, which powers solar energy, why not cut out the need for harnessing the sun and just harness the process by using nuclear power plants? No need for any storage systems that you need for any viable solar system, less land use needed and considerably cheaper.

[Poindexter]

When we compare the costs of renewable energy generation versus status quo we have to take into consideration that the status quo is finite and the costs of both are heading in opposite directions.

Conservative estimates say all oil reserves on the planet will be used up by 2060 with the cost of attaining these reserves going up each year. Conversely the cost of generating energy from renewable sources has been decreasing each year.

Delaying the conversion won't stave off the inevitable. The only way to decrease long term costs is to start the process as soon as possible and that includes changing consumer's dependence on gasoline vehicles by offering attractive and affordable alternatives. I'm glad companies like Tesla, who have no stake in the status quo are doing just this.

[The Green Barbarian]

The US will have spent 7.7 trillion in 40 years on their war in Iraq.

Lots of political will to drop that coin there.

and with that you lose the argument, not that you were coming close to winning at all anyway. Just invoke Hitler now to really finish yourself off.

[The Green Barbarian]

Apparently spending 7.7 trillion on a war to obtain a right-of-way to the raw product .

except that this wasn't the amount spent. And no matter what was spent, it is completely irrelevant to the argument. Hey, the US spent a whole bunch of money on a really bad idea (Iraq invasion) so that means that all really bad ideas should get a lot of money too! Yeah, that's great logic all right.

[Dizzy1]

Conservative estimates say all oil reserves on the planet will be used up by 2060 with the cost of attaining these reserves going up each year. Conversely the cost of generating energy from renewable sources has been decreasing each year.

The reserves in Northern Alberta alone will go into the next century.

[Atomoa]

except that this wasn't the amount spent.

1.7 trillion to date, with a additional 6 trillion spent 40 years from now.

https://www.google.ca/search?espv=2&q=i ... pmVquhIHwo

And no matter what was spent, it is completely irrelevant to the argument.

That's interesting considering that you were not part of the argument. Humanity spending 19 trillion over 60 years to power the world or one country spending 7.7 trillion over 40 years to have access to some oil (let alone being able to use the oil) and the associated costs of the aftermath of burning all that oil.

The debate, if you'd like to be a part of it, was whether we had 19 trillion dollar to do something big that would benefit the entire globe. I pointed out that a single country will drop almost half that amount in less time in order to kill people and put a bunch of CO2 in the air. The Iraq War cost humanity energy, resources and produced a lot of C02 without producing a single watt of power for anyone.

It's only a bad idea to you because of your financial investments and old world politics. Somehow oil is a conservative value to you. If you owned stock in solar companies I'm sure you'd love to get behind a 19 trillion dollar project. If the environmental lobby was opposed to it you would be sitting there criticizing the "can't do it" attitude of the left, just as you have all over this forum on subjects such as mining, pipelines and LNG.

[maryjane48]

the oil addiction is worse than opiates

[Dizzy1]

the oil addiction is worse than opiates

The oil addiction has brought our species to the point we are at now. Have we not embraced the benefits of oil in our society, your dream of "clean" energy would be even farther off than it is now.

[Static]

the oil addiction is worse than opiates

I don't agree with you on that one.

[maryjane48]

The oil addiction has brought our species to the point we are at now. Have we not embraced the benefits of oil in our society, your dream of "clean" energy would be even farther off than it is now

i disagree . human sense of adventure and the ability to understand how our universe workes is what got us here . oil is a tool . tool become obsolet or improved upon . oil wont be improved upon so that just leaves left to history .

it isnt even a left right issue anymore . it just is .

[maryjane48]

your right static its worse . junkies wont ruin a inland fjord like prince william sound

[looking4one]

your right static its worse . junkies wont ruin a inland fjord like prince william sound

*removed*

[The Green Barbarian]

1.7 trillion to date, with a additional 6 trillion spent 40 years from now.
.

Except that your link doesn't say that. This is just babbling nonsense. But who cares. It's irrelevant to this discussion. Completely and totally irrelevant.

[The Green Barbarian]

the oil addiction is worse than opiates

And on another hand, no it's not.

[maryjane48]

the future of transportation is on verge of as big a change as gas did to horses . you cant stop progress . but it is amusing to observe time to time