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Tesla set to be number 1

Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby tabanner » Jul 2nd, 2016, 9:14 pm

[/quote]2) A driverless car will have to have every single stop sign, speed limit, lane marking programmed into a database or it will have to have an unimaginable sensor system that will be able to read every sign and marking on a roadway. If every speed limit is downloaded into a database and linked to a driverless vehicle, how will it work with construction zones that suddenly pop up? Every traffic light will have to be linked to the system in order for the vehicle to know if its red or green. What about approaching emergency vehicles? How will the driverless car know to pull over and stop? In BC, we have a law that states we must slow down and move over for RCMP vehicles, tow trucks, etc. on the side of the highway - everyone of those vehicles will have to be linked to the system in some way or another.

With regards to the auto steer system, anyone wanna go give it a shot here with our "awesome" road markings?[quote]

Dizzy, the reason I said earlier, you need to test drive one of these cars, is because I have driven both the S and X Ludicrous and can tell you how they deal with some of these issues. I can also tell you my current SUV with Advanced Driver Assist works quite well with our current road markings even within city limits keeping my vehicle between the lines if I don't. The autopilot in the Tesla also does an excellent job keeping between the lines. If it has issues with markings, it alerts you and you need to take over immediately.

The Tesla currently picks up speed limit signs with its camera and displays the sign on your dash. This is how it "reads" speed limits. They currently do not read traffic lights but I'm sure this will come in a future update. In autopilot, if you are following a car and it stops for a light, the Tesla will stop as well. If there is no one in front of you, you obviously need to stop the vehicle yourself. It is a driver assist feature, the cars are not autonomous yet. : ) With regards to emergency vehicles, again, it's autopilot, meaning you are supposed to be alert behind the wheel ready to take over should you need to pull over for any sort of emergency vehicle.

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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby Jlabute » Jul 2nd, 2016, 9:16 pm

http://grabat.es/es/blog/una-empresa-es ... kilometros

Perhaps, new innovation such as graphene batteries will be the answer. Spain's graphenano company claims their battery based on graphene/polymer will have > 5x the capacity, require 30% less volume, and be lighter. Discharge and charge more quickly (5 minutes)

http://futurism.com/scientists-develop- ... -graphene/

The new battery is called the grabat. Getting away from lithium is a bonus.
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby Gilchy » Jul 3rd, 2016, 1:25 pm

It's funny to me that Teslas are so polarizing. They are either the greatest invention since the Model T, or a joke of a product for rich hippies.

With regards to range, I would think that very, very few Tesla owners do not have 2/3/4+ vehicles, so the conventional ICE vehicle could be used for road trips. Most Teslas are likely luxury commuters.

The recent autopilot death is the 1st in over 110 million miles driven, so statistically safer than normal (approximately one death per 90 million miles driven).

But, Tesla has major fit and finish improvements to make to equal comparably priced luxury cars.

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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby tabanner » Jul 3rd, 2016, 4:13 pm

I agree with you Gilchy although I don't understand how so many think they are a joke. : ) Decent range, fastest sedan and SUV ever produced with other options matching or exceeding that of other luxury vehicles. While I didn't initially love the look of the SUV, it's growing on me.

For trips, yes, we would likely take a different vehicle, but as far as ice and snow, with the weight being so low and the 4WD system...I don't doubt it will be better than my current SUV. I drove the P90D S (4WD) in rain and I can tell you it handled well. There was no slippage or traction issues.

I believe it's 130 million miles driven so far utilizing Autopilot. : ) What you won't hear about is how many accidents they have helped owners avoid. Advanced Driver Assist in my current vehicle was an option I didn't even debate because if it can save you in just one instance...

I'm not sure I agree with you on fit and finish. That was a concern of mine initially. Like I said, I have driven both the S and X Ludicrous models. I am quite impressed with the overall quality of the vehicle and it is very comfortable inside. I currently drive an AMG (which I feel are finished extremely well) and the actual steering wheel and steering wheel levers in the Tesla are actually from Mercedes for example.

One other thing that Musk has mentioned many times is the business plan of Tesla. These first three models (the Roadster, the S and the X) were important to produce first for a number of reasons but most importantly, to fund the production of the more reasonably priced Model 3. And with the number of 3s reserved...that seems to be a pretty good indication there is growing confidence in the brand. Of course not by all, but that's OK. : )
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby GordonH » Jul 3rd, 2016, 4:24 pm

^^^ I don't need or want 2 vehicles, plus I do a number of long trips to prairies (mainly Saskatchewan & Manitoba). My current vehicle fully topped up will get me to Brooks (sorry I can go further this usually were stop for the night) before refilling (that takes no time to do).
So once the battery technology gets much closer to that distance, I will then relook at these vehicles.

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Re: Tesla set to be number1

Postby d0nb » Jul 3rd, 2016, 10:48 pm

Thanks to the virtual world of the amazing Elon Musk, we can fuel cars with government subsidies instead of petroleum.

maryjane48 wrote:what you conveniently leftv out is he has payed govt back and the oil industry does exact same thing .


Conveniently? Aren't I the nefarious one. :D

Don't confuse the billions of dollars in subsidies with the loan from the DOE that Musk repaid by raising money through a public offering. He will never repay the subsidies.

The argument that oil and gas companies are massively subsidized by government is sophistry and political gamesmanship.

Few people are silly enough to refer to their home owners' grant, tax refund or lawful tax deductions as subsidies because most of us are smart enough to know the difference between being given something (a subsidy) and simply being allowed to keep more of what we have earned (a tax break).

Elon is just a 21st century Howard Hughes - he plays the game well. But bureaucrats should not be trying to manipulate market outcomes with public money, something Elon probably agrees with if he is half the brilliant libertarian some people think he is. Using the public purse to subsidize the consumption of expensive toys that only the privileged can afford to buy is particularly hard to rationalize.

Mainstream consumers will make the transition to electric cars without government meddling, but not until the right energy storage solution becomes available.

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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jul 4th, 2016, 8:36 am

GordonH wrote:So once the battery technology gets much closer to that distance, I will then relook at these vehicles.


I think that these cars need some kind of solar charging device so the car can utilize the sun to give the batteries a charge while the car is in motion on these long trips. Just spit-balling of course. Range is definitely an issue here but I would look at a battery operated car for short trips. My concern is maintenance. How much does it cost vs gas-powered cars and how often does it need to be done?
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby tabanner » Jul 4th, 2016, 8:53 am

Very little maintenance. They recommend once a year but it is not required. While my X isn't due until August, I have talked to many S owners regarding any potential issues they've had and for the most part, ownership has been good. I wanted to know what to expect and I'm confident and looking forward to getting the vehicle.

To d0nb...many inaccuracies in your statements. And Teslas are not for the "privileged". They are for anyone who makes the choice it is the vehicle they wish to purchase. As I stated earlier, Musk's plan was to produce "higher end" vehicles first to help fund the more reasonably priced Model 3. That was his business plan.

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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby d0nb » Jul 4th, 2016, 12:39 pm

Tell the person struggling to keep their old Ford Fiesta on the road that those who can afford a taxpayer subsidized Tesla aren't privileged. No doubt they'll feel foolish for not having a couple.
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby looking4one » Jul 4th, 2016, 12:48 pm

Just a question. Which government is supposedly subsidizing this car? Canada, USA, Germany, Italy?
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby Omnitheo » Jul 4th, 2016, 1:02 pm

"The government"
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jul 4th, 2016, 1:06 pm

looking4one wrote:Just a question. Which government is supposedly subsidizing this car? Canada, USA, Germany, Italy?


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... story.html
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby Omnitheo » Jul 4th, 2016, 1:21 pm

The LA Times is owned by Oaktree Capital Management, which invests in crude petroleum and natural gas, coal and consumable fuels.

The clearly biased article looks at multiple different companies, including space X to try to gain an impressive enough sounding number. The article then goes on to neglect to mention government subsidies in other industries, such as the nearly 1 trillion that goes to the fossil fuel industry each year.
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby maryjane48 » Jul 4th, 2016, 1:26 pm

i proved in another thread the la times was full of bs . musk addressed the article . its pointless to even debate a lie .
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Re: Tesla set to be number 1

Postby looking4one » Jul 4th, 2016, 1:27 pm

To answer my own question then, it's the government of the USA that is putting in the $$$$. Is that correct?
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