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Postby maryjane48 » Nov 2nd, 2017, 1:29 pm

Funny we never heard about these terrorists

Three Kansas men who were allegedly part of a domestic terrorist group called “the Crusaders” were arrested by the FBI on Friday, charged with plotting to carry out an attack on Muslims living in the state.

The men are identified as Patrick Stein, Gavin Wright and Curtis Allen, and are all in their late 40s. They belonged to a group that espoused “sovereign citizen, anti-government, anti-Muslim, and anti-immigrant extremist beliefs,” according to an FBI agent’s affidavit, and allegedly plotted to attack Muslim immigrants, focusing on an apartment complex in Garden City, Kansas.

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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby maryjane48 » Nov 2nd, 2017, 1:41 pm

http://cbsloc.al/2hyPJuh. This one didnt get much coverage either wonder why ?
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Glacier » Nov 2nd, 2017, 2:00 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Funny we never heard about these terrorists

Three Kansas men who were allegedly part of a domestic terrorist group called “the Crusaders” were arrested by the FBI on Friday, charged with plotting to carry out an attack on Muslims living in the state.

The men are identified as Patrick Stein, Gavin Wright and Curtis Allen, and are all in their late 40s. They belonged to a group that espoused “sovereign citizen, anti-government, anti-Muslim, and anti-immigrant extremist beliefs,” according to an FBI agent’s affidavit, and allegedly plotted to attack Muslim immigrants, focusing on an apartment complex in Garden City, Kansas.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mi ... 2c043c1e90

Funny how you forgot that you had already posted about this story last year where you claimed without any sort of evidence that they were Christian terrorists... viewtopic.php?f=84&t=69525&p=2086956

BTW, a person's religion does not matter in this story. The only thing that matters is the motives behind their attacks. These guys here are anti-Immigrant bigots who did it because they don't like immigrants and/or Muslims. They could be Christian, atheist, Buddhist, or even Muslim, but that would be irrelevant because they were not motivated by their religion (or lack of religious belief).

By contrast, the latest terrorist in NY was motivated by religion, which is why it is relevant. His Islamic beliefs drove the attacks.

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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 2nd, 2017, 3:09 pm

Glacier wrote:BTW, a person's religion does not matter in this story. The only thing that matters is the motives behind their attacks. These guys here are anti-Immigrant bigots who did it because they don't like immigrants and/or Muslims. They could be Christian, atheist, Buddhist, or even Muslim, but that would be irrelevant because they were not motivated by their religion (or lack of religious belief).

By contrast, the latest terrorist in NY was motivated by religion, which is why it is relevant. His Islamic beliefs drove the attacks.


I know you realize that you are wasting your time, but I'm sure it feels good to say it anyway. The lunatic Left will never stop with the narrative that all religions are the same. It's just how they roll, no matter what is put in front of them as evidence.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Merry » Nov 3rd, 2017, 5:25 am

It's not religion that's the problem, it's fanaticism that is the problem. Fanatics (of ALL stripes) will do absolutely anything to further their beliefs.

That said, it is up to the non fanatics within each group to single out the fanatics within their midst and call them to account; because if it's made abundantly clear that the collective thinking within the group is that fanatical behaviour is wrong, it makes it less likely that new fanatics will emerge. Because most fanatics are really people who are trying too hard, and in a very inappropriate way, to become a more accepted member of their particular group. So it's up to that group to make it clear that such methods are not acceptable, and that all who employ them will be rejected, not embraced.

And on that point I think the Muslim world has failed; because they have not been very effective in making it clear that those who commit terrorism in their name are wrong to do so, and will no longer be considered "good" Muslims if they keep it up. I don't know if Islam has an equivalent to being excommunicated but, if there is, then the Imam's should be telling their flock that is what will happen if they get involved in terrorist activities. Yet nothing like that has happened (or if it has I haven't heard about it). All I've heard are some pretty weak statements condemning terrorism in general, and that's not good enough. Their statements need to be much stronger, and must clearly outline the consequences if a person continues on the terrorist path.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby the truth » Nov 3rd, 2017, 8:45 am

agree 100 %
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Ka-El » Nov 3rd, 2017, 10:20 am

Merry wrote:It's not religion that's the problem, it's fanaticism that is the problem. Fanatics (of ALL stripes) will do absolutely anything to further their beliefs.

Yes, we’ve seen the destructive consequences of extremist views and fanaticism – from people who are willing to die to kill for Islamic extremism to the “populist” fanatics that helped to elect Trump to the office of US president (another group that will go to great intellectual lengths to rationalize their continued support of that narcissistic lunatic). Certainly, pressuring the Imans to more strongly and specifically condemn terrorism in the name of their religion would help – but, as stated, this is a complex and multi-faceted issue, and simple, single-faceted solutions will not work. We can talk about implementing tougher immigration and refugee laws; however, we are already cooperating with the United States and taking a continental approach to security and any refugee entering Canada has been vetted as carefully as any refugee granted entry to the States.

Another consideration is that a good number of these so-called “lone wolf” terrorists are “home grown”, and have been radicalized over the Internet. How are we going to defend against that? Shut down the Internet?

I am repeating myself, but I still don’t see how any of us can “win” against terrorism – at least until we start addressing the root causes instead of just the symptoms. We need to recognize that terrorism is a more complex problem than some want to acknowledge - one that won’t be solved by such simplistic and divisive thinking such as travel bans and building border walls. That is not to say we can drop our guard. This issue has reached the stage where we have to continue to invest in robust security measures that will have some effect such as screening, investigation and monitoring at home, and be ready to commit ourselves to military action and rebuilding overseas. With the defeat of the ISIS military, we can expect increased motivation in the committing of terrorist attacks, and the so-called “soft targets” will likely be the strategy of choice. ISIS will continue to recruit dupes from across Europe and North America to commit acts of terrorism, and the majority of these people will be “home grown” – many completely off the radar until they’ve already committed their attack.

At some point we need to start asking ourselves where all these recruits are coming from (hint: they are not all Islam and even fewer started out as Islam) and what makes them so prepared to give their lives for some twisted ideology. Without taking a hard look at our society’s part in creating the conditions that perpetuate this problem nothing will change, and as long as the same conditions exist that currently provides for such a large pool of potential recruits, terrorist organizations such as ISIS will continue to recruit them. We will get nowhere in trying to address terrorism by only focusing on part of the problem and trying to displace all responsibility in making change onto other people, "those people". Such thinking will only ensure that terrorist attacks will remain a part of our new reality.

The left has attempted to explain Islamic terror as driven by "poverty" or "oppression", or American foreign policy, or Israel, or at least some sort of so-called “logical” grievance - “The root cause of terrorism is foreign domination and control of Muslim resources. The root cause of terrorism is the hatred of the Western way of life. The root cause of terrorism is alienation. The root cause of terrorism is poverty and illiteracy. The root cause of terrorism is the moral decadence of the West” – while the right would dismiss all that as nonsense and posit Islamic terror is, in fact, solely driven by a vile, totalitarian, and hallucinatory ideology - Islamism - that has its own dynamic, and that is not based on any logical or rational grievances. In my mind, both views are correct - except to the point where they dismiss the view of the other.

Islamic fundamentalist extremism is a real and spreading global threat. It is indeed a vile, totalitarian, and hallucinatory ideology, but we have to ask ourselves – where does it find its recruits? Where does it find its “soldiers” who are willing to indiscriminately kill and die in the name of such a twisted dogma? How are we to defend ourselves by closing borders to refugees and immigrants when many who commit terror acts in the name of Islamic extremism are home grown citizens? What inspires those citizens by birth to develop such hate and adopt such a twisted ideology? We can throw as many resources as possible toward discovering, exposing and thwarting terrorist plots but it will not be possible to stop them all, and scapegoating groups of people only reinforces the message of the extremists and helps with further recruitment – and that’s the truth.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Glacier » Nov 3rd, 2017, 10:43 am

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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Ka-El » Nov 3rd, 2017, 12:27 pm


The only way to end radical Islamic terrorism once and for all is to discredit the ideology which fuels it.

Not a totally surprising point of view coming from the Clarion Project (challenging radical Islam, promoting human rights), and an idea that certainly has a lot of appeal - but at the same time, an idea that is hardly realistic I would suggest. I think just discrediting radical Islam on its own will do little, if anything to end terrorism and terrorist attacks. As long as there are scores of disenfranchised and marginalized young men and women across the globe with Internet access looking for a cause, some meaning, and even desperate enough to die for it, how are you going to stop it? People have been trying to wipe out religions and religious groups for centuries with no success. Look at some of the ideas held by some posters around here that are easily and repeatedly discredited, but embraced desperately no matter what facts are presented to demonstrate their absurdity. I agree that discrediting radical Islam is an idea many of us find appealing, and as Merry noted, it would be helpful for Imans and all members of the non-radical Islamic groups to step up in speaking out against it as well. However, I strongly doubt this act in itself would end radical Islam, and would be about as effective in preventing terrorist attacks as border walls and travel bans. In fact, the effort to discredit the extremists may easily have the same effect as Trump’s ludicrously simplistic and antagonistic ideas – that is, provide even more ammunition to be used by the recruiters of jihad.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby JagXKR » Yesterday, 8:46 am

You mean like this?

https://www.castanet.net/news/World/212 ... mns-attack

Just another two hundred dead due to the religion of peace.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby The Green Barbarian » Yesterday, 9:21 am

JagXKR wrote:You mean like this?

https://www.castanet.net/news/World/212 ... mns-attack

Just another two hundred dead due to the religion of peace.


Nothing to see here. Just some Amish tourists apparently.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Queen K » Yesterday, 10:25 am

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42110223 body count has reached 230 or over. I hope someone pays big for this outrage.
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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Glacier » Yesterday, 10:40 am

This was a Sufi Mosque, which means they teach Islamic mysticism or esotericm, and ISIS types hate that. They want Muslims to follow the literal interpretation of the Qu'ran and Hadeth right down to the last sex slave and beheading.

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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby Glacier » Yesterday, 11:28 am

At least these bombers will get extra virgins in heaven...

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Re: Terrorist attacks around the world

Postby the truth » Yesterday, 11:34 am

we can sleep better at night knowing this :cuss: :cuss: https://globalnews.ca/news/3875716/syri ... paign=2015
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