Trump discussion

[Atomoa]

This is what happens when they both pick the bottom of the barrel for Presidential candidates

Pick?

DNC rigged the game to run the bottom of the barrel, they didnt pick. Even if Bernie would have won more votes the superdelegates would have tossed him out, just like they tossed out Keith Ellison. That's their function.

[GordonH]

This is what happens when they both pick the bottom of the barrel for Presidential candidates

Pick?

DNC rigged the game to run the bottom of the barrel, they didnt pick.

As did GOP

Each candidate get delegates support (from primaries in each State, that takes forever) then at each Parties Convention those delegate elect the candidate. So each delegate picks, each round of votes the Candidate with leased drops out. Will either ask the delegates to go with "X" or release them to vote for 1 of their choice.

[Queen K]

Democracy, and its pillars, are messy things. I have to wonder if the whole Trump experience is not going to result in the major parties snapping back to the center from their highly polarized positions, and US democracy will be changed for the better. It could go other directions, but it seems to me that Americans value democracy too much for any other outcome.

On this we can agree. The DNC and the Repubs need major make-overs. Both are totally screwed right now.

That's what I basically posted in the BC flip flop thread, that ALL of N.A. is basically screwed if you look at the doings of every major party in all three countries. So HG, GB and I are all agreed

[hobbyguy]

Atomoa - you seem to have things sort of mixed up.

Neoliberalism is an economic theory, one that is at the heart of Thatcherism, Reaganomics, and trickle down economics as espoused by the "free traders" Milton Friedman and his disciples like Alan Greenspan. It is the far right wing that espouses neoliberalism.

That said, our more centrist parties and the Democrats in the US have been pulled far enough right to have fallen into the traps of neoliberal economic thinking. It is, after all, what they teach MBAs.

Equally short sighted and unbalanced (crazy) is the economic thinking of the far left (communist group).

Both are abject failures from the perspective of the bulk of the citizenry. In the neoliberal "free market" uncontrolled state, it degenerates into the tyranny of corporatism. In the state run communist model, it quickly degenerates into tyranny of the state. Neither works in the long run. To use a sports analogy, the former is like a football game without rules and referees, the later is like a football game with a 100,000 page rule book and more referees than players.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/neoliberalism.asp

[Atomoa]

Atomoa - you seem to have things sort of mixed up.

Neoliberalism is an economic theory, one that is at the heart of Thatcherism, Reaganomics, and trickle down economics as espoused by the "free traders" Milton Friedman and his disciples like Alan Greenspan. It is the far right wing that espouses neoliberalism.

You're a few years behind me.

The entire Democratic establishment embraces neoliberalism as well. The Clintons invented it when they tossed the unions out in favour of corporate money - within a few years they were out raising the GoP thanks to Goldman Sachs and friends. The Democrats are much like the BC Liberals as far as neoliberalism.

I also guess you missed the Wall Street bailouts or Obama/Hillary wrapping their arms around NAFTA and the TPP.

From Wiki :

During the 1990s, the Clinton Administration also embraced neoliberalism by supporting the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, continuing the deregulation of the financial sector through passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act and the repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act, and implementing cuts to the welfare state through passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act.The neoliberalism of the Clinton Administration differs from that of Reagan, as the Clinton Administration purged neoliberalism of neoconservative positions on militarism, family values, opposition to multiculturalism and neglect of ecological issues.

[ferri]

[Atomoa]

Neoliberalism relates to Trump because while Trump remains very unpopular, neoliberals remain even more unpopular than Trump is. Hence Trumps victory and the continued Russian propaganda.

Who knew that late stage neoliberalism would be reduced down to political McCarthyism and obstructionism?

[Queen K]

Did Trump manage to do anything else?

[Poindexter]

Just to set the record straight.

Overall, taxpayers have made more than $100 billion on the bailouts. More importantly, the aggressive U.S. financial response—along with similarly aggressive monetary and (initially) fiscal policies—helped rescue a free-falling economy that was crashing at an 8 percent annual rate. We’ve recovered better than the rest of the developed world—

http://time.com/3450110/aig-lehman/

[Queen K]

So Ted Cruz sponsered the funding of NASA for further space exploration to the tune of 19.6 BILLION dollars.

Ummmm, The Earth is dying or in trouble. Species extinction here is rampent. The Great Barrier Reef alone is almost dead. But save any of it? NO! That's ridiculous Liberal ideal, we have to find out how to get rich people off this planet instead, because that rocket trip to a Goldilocks Planet is gonna cost. (Goldilocks is geek speak for a planet that is Earth like, just right.)

http://globalnews.ca/news/3325408/donal ... ploration/

[Poindexter]

Wonder if NASA welcomes hitchhikers? I want off.

Sure, Ted Cruz could be questioning Neil Gorsuch on his enthusiasm for gutting the Voting Rights Act or the unprecedented Republican obstructionism that is likely to lead to him occupying a seat that should by rights have been held by Merrick Garland, but instead he began by asking him “the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything”—a reference to Douglas Adams’ classic novel, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. And Gorsuch, as Cruz knew he would, responded with the correct answer: 42.

That palsy-walsy opening ought to leave a bad taste in the mouth of anyone inclined to believe these hearings are anything but a formality, to say nothing of fans of the late Adams himself. A self-proclaimed “radical atheist” and, later in life, a passionate environmentalist and animal conservationist, Adams would have been appalled to have his work used to certify the down-hominess of a jurist who favors allowing anti–LGBTQ discrimination under the color of “religious liberty,” and who has limited citizens’ ability to sue corporations for environmental infractions. Adams might, however, have enjoyed a rueful laugh at the invocation of this particular shibboleth, knowing its eventual punchline: The ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything, which is revealed long after its answer, turns out to be “What do you get if you multiply six by nine?”—which is to say that the universe has never made any *bleep* sense at all. https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.slate.com ... rsuch.html

[Atomoa]

Ummmm, The Earth is dying or in trouble. Species extinction here is rampent. The Great Barrier Reef alone is almost dead. But save any of it? NO! That's ridiculous Liberal ideal, we have to find out how to get rich people off this planet instead, because that rocket trip to a Goldilocks Planet is gonna cost. (Goldilocks is geek speak for a planet that is Earth like, just right.)

http://globalnews.ca/news/3325408/donal ... ploration/

Are you nuts?

Space exploration is vital to our species survival.

[dirtrider]

GOP is in a lot worse shape than the DNC right now.

That's not true at all. The DNC and Clinton are disliked more than Trump and the GoP. The Democrats also have been reduced to holding very little offices and government positions. Hillary didnt just lose, the Democrats were slaughtered across the board and they are at their lowest levels since the 1920's right now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2993659

I have to disagree, the Suffolk poll was based on 1000 people to represent 320 million people, what was the confidence level, standard deviation, how was it polled and what questions were asked? A lot of variables to consider in one poll to determine how accurate it is. How about a poll that spreads multiple polls on a graph and plotting the linear regression of the questions being asked like this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/15 ... ing-better

If you use these multiple polls to find out if it's the DNC or the GOP that is overall more unfavorable.....it would be the GOP....although the DNC is not much better.

As far as the GOP majority at the moment, aren't they more of an ebb and flow kinda deal? Didn't the GOP get slaughtered after Bush bungled things badly during the War on Weapons of Mass Destruction and the "drain the swamp" financial crisis of 2008? Did they not get a historical beating after that? The GOP might have the majority now but in two years time that will hardly be the case once the Trump led GOP bungles things from now until the Midterm elections.

Check out Obama and Sander's poll numbers at the bottom....way higher than Trump's or Pence's.

[dirtrider]

Ummmm, The Earth is dying or in trouble. Species extinction here is rampent. The Great Barrier Reef alone is almost dead. But save any of it? NO! That's ridiculous Liberal ideal, we have to find out how to get rich people off this planet instead, because that rocket trip to a Goldilocks Planet is gonna cost. (Goldilocks is geek speak for a planet that is Earth like, just right.)

http://globalnews.ca/news/3325408/donal ... ploration/

Are you nuts?

Space exploration is vital to our species survival.

I hate to break it to you but I'm afraid we're stuck on Mothership Earth until our next extinction level event, then it will be someone else's turn. I'm thinking cockroaches but not the Trump type.

[The Green Barbarian]

Check out Obama and Sander's poll numbers at the bottom....way higher than Trump's or Pence's.

So if a poll was conducted on Breitbart showing Trump and Pence's poll numbers higher than Obama or Sanders you would scream about it being fake news, yet we're supposed to trust nonsense from the left fake news site Daily Kos? Really? Why are you reading this echo chamber fodder? Just pure invented fake news garbage.