Trump discussion

[madmudder]

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[Necro]

You're right. I should have included his apologists and supporters. As pointed out in one news story this morning relating to the lifting of tariff's between Canada and the US, only in America could a goof like Trump create a crisis, inflame a crisis, and then take credit for solving the crisis, and have a group of apologists and supporters dull-witted enough to give him that credit.

This is a very ignorant comment on more than one level. Assuming superiority by one's ideology is why Trump won in 2016 and is why Trump will win in 2020. 5 1/2 more years. I hope you're ready for it.

Tariffs were imposed on Canadian steel/aluminum because China was dumping subsidized steel/aluminum into the US via Canada's leaders turning a bling eye to the 64% regional origin rule. Now it's set to go up to 75%.

As Trump is attempting to bring China to heel after decades of unfair trade practices this was a necessary step. It forced Canada to clean up their act. If Canada had strong leadership they would oppose the screeching environmentalists and utilize our natural resources for the benefit of Canadians. Hopefully this will force their hand.

Are you aware of rule/article 32:10? It gives the US the right to veto Canadian and Mexican purchase agreements with China. Yes, Trudeau and Freeland really did sign an agreement that allowed the US to veto purchase agreements with China. They are that stupid. Or! Trump outmaneuvered them. You decide.

Allowing these tariffs to drop benefit the US far more than they do Canada. Obviously.

[floppi]

You're right. I should have included his apologists and supporters. As pointed out in one news story this morning relating to the lifting of tariff's between Canada and the US, only in America could a goof like Trump create a crisis, inflame a crisis, and then take credit for solving the crisis, and have a group of apologists and supporters dull-witted enough to give him that credit.

This is a very ignorant comment on more than one level. Assuming superiority by one's ideology is why Trump won in 2016 and is why Trump will win in 2020. 5 1/2 more years. I hope you're ready for it.

Tariffs were imposed on Canadian steel/aluminum because China was dumping subsidized steel/aluminum into the US via Canada's leaders turning a bling eye to the 64% regional origin rule. Now it's set to go up to 75%.

As Trump is attempting to bring China to heel after decades of unfair trade practices this was a necessary step. It forced Canada to clean up their act. If Canada had strong leadership they would oppose the screeching environmentalists and utilize our natural resources for the benefit of Canadians. Hopefully this will force their hand.

Are you aware of rule/article 32:10? It gives the US the right to veto Canadian and Mexican purchase agreements with China. Yes, Trudeau and Freeland really did sign an agreement that allowed the US to veto purchase agreements with China. They are that stupid. Or! Trump outmaneuvered them. You decide.

Allowing these tariffs to drop benefit the US far more than they do Canada. Obviously.

You better check your facts again....the NAFTA origin rule is 62.5%. The USMCA hasn't been ratified by any of the 3 countries and if somehow does get ratified, the 75% origin rule won't be implimented untilJan. 2023....long after tRump is gone and in jail.

The USMCA 32.10 doesn't give anyone veto rights. If say, Canada pursue a trade agreement with China, the agreement requires Canada to give a 3 month notice of it intentions. Then like the original NAFTA agreement, the other countries have the option of withdrawing from the USMCA in 6 months if they don't like the the deal between Canada and China. Nothing to do with veto powers.

[Necro]

You better check your facts again....the NAFTA origin rule is 62.5%. The USMCA hasn't been ratified by any of the 3 countries and if somehow does get ratified, the 75% origin rule won't be implimented untilJan. 2023....long after tRump is gone and in jail.

Again?

62.6%, which doesn't change the fact that Canada allowed subsidized Chinese steel to circumvent NAFTA. Good for Trump. Perhaps this will awaken Canadians that we're more than capable of being energy independent. You don't agree? The USMCA will be ratified by Freeland and Trudeau. With an election so close they have no choice. 75% is a big commitment.

The USMCA 32.10 doesn't give anyone veto rights. If say, Canada pursue a trade agreement with China, the agreement requires Canada to give a 3 month notice of it intentions. Then like the original NAFTA agreement, the other countries have the option of withdrawing from the USMCA in 6 months if they don't like the the deal between Canada and China. Nothing to do with veto powers.

You don't get it. Which doesn't surprise me.

Justin Trudeau dreams of closer Canadian ties with China. The deal he just made with Donald Trump makes it harder for that to happen.

The new trade agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico includes a provision that requires one member to notify the others if it launches trade talks with a non-market economy. If those talks lead to a deal, the signatory could potentially be frozen out of the North American pact.

It’s essentially a China clause, with the Trump administration gearing up for trade war with Beijing. It’s also partially symbolic. But for Trudeau, it’s either a concession or an admission that his aspirations for a free-trade deal China have fallen flat.

The Canadian prime minister’s visit to China fizzled last year, and he rejected a major takeover this spring. But in a cabinet shuffle this summer -- when the fate of the North American Free Trade Agreement was still unclear -- he added “diversification” to his new trade minister’s title. And now he’s effectively siding with the U.S. against the Asian powerhouse.

“The U.S. is going to get all its partners to gang up on China, but it’s clear that Canada did this because there was a gun to its head,” said Mary Lovely, an economics professor at Syracuse University who studies trade issues. “Now Canada has its hands tied.”

Article 32.10 requires any USMCA nation to notify the other two members three months before launching free trade talks with a non-market economy. The other countries can review any deal before it’s signed and, once a new pact between a USMCA member and a non-market economy takes effect, the other two members can terminate the trilateral North American agreement and strike a bilateral one.

“They can basically pull the chute and kick you out by virtue of what they feel violates that clause,” said Peter MacKay, who served as foreign minister under Trudeau’s predecessor and is now a partner at law firm Baker & McKenzie LLP. “The government doesn’t seem to be very forthcoming as to why they would want to become supplicant to the United States in a trade war with China.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -ambitions

This means Canada will be kicked out of USMCA if they *bleep* off Trump or his predecessors.

Get it?

That means the US can threaten Canada with future tariffs should they defy Trump's USMCA regarding China or any other "non-market economy."

That would be suicide. Example? The less than 2% GDP Canada is currently stuck with. Complete and utter veto power over the Canadian economy.

Not good.

[Necro]

It makes me laugh when I see a RINO such as Justin Amash oppose President Trump. The breathless media coverage? Pathetic.

He voted in favor of allowing illegal immigrants to vote.

Lets not forget his (families) intimate ties with China. The focus of Trump's tariffs.

The sad part? CNN didn't tell me about this conflict of interest.

[Necro]

Trump Rally.

[GordonH]

Since president Ford, every president has released tax returns:
Carter
Reagan
Bush Sr
Clinton
Bush Jr
Obama
Trump... wonder what he has got to hide from US people

[floppi]

You better check your facts again....the NAFTA origin rule is 62.5%. The USMCA hasn't been ratified by any of the 3 countries and if somehow does get ratified, the 75% origin rule won't be implimented untilJan. 2023....long after tRump is gone and in jail.

Again?

62.6%, which doesn't change the fact that Canada allowed subsidized Chinese steel to circumvent NAFTA. Good for Trump. Perhaps this will awaken Canadians that we're more than capable of being energy independent. You don't agree? The USMCA will be ratified by Freeland and Trudeau. With an election so close they have no choice. 75% is a big commitment.

Really? You got no clue hey?.......if this hapened under NAFTA what makes you think USMCA will be any different? And it doesn't happen like right away either. There is a transition period and it will be a slow process to get to 75% as it won't get there until 2023.

The USMCA 32.10 doesn't give anyone veto rights. If say, Canada pursue a trade agreement with China, the agreement requires Canada to give a 3 month notice of it intentions. Then like the original NAFTA agreement, the other countries have the option of withdrawing from the USMCA in 6 months if they don't like the the deal between Canada and China. Nothing to do with veto powers.

You don't get it. Which doesn't surprise me.

Where does it say the US has veto rights? The only difference between NAFTA and USMCA regarding trade with a non market country is the 3 month notice.....that's it. NAFTA had a clause where any country can opt out with a 6 month notice.......no different then it is with USMCA.

Justin Trudeau dreams of closer Canadian ties with China. The deal he just made with Donald Trump makes it harder for that to happen.

The new trade agreement between the U.S., Canada and Mexico includes a provision that requires one member to notify the others if it launches trade talks with a non-market economy. If those talks lead to a deal, the signatory could potentially be frozen out of the North American pact.

It’s essentially a China clause, with the Trump administration gearing up for trade war with Beijing. It’s also partially symbolic. But for Trudeau, it’s either a concession or an admission that his aspirations for a free-trade deal China have fallen flat.

The Canadian prime minister’s visit to China fizzled last year, and he rejected a major takeover this spring. But in a cabinet shuffle this summer -- when the fate of the North American Free Trade Agreement was still unclear -- he added “diversification” to his new trade minister’s title. And now he’s effectively siding with the U.S. against the Asian powerhouse.

“The U.S. is going to get all its partners to gang up on China, but it’s clear that Canada did this because there was a gun to its head,” said Mary Lovely, an economics professor at Syracuse University who studies trade issues. “Now Canada has its hands tied.”

Article 32.10 requires any USMCA nation to notify the other two members three months before launching free trade talks with a non-market economy. The other countries can review any deal before it’s signed and, once a new pact between a USMCA member and a non-market economy takes effect, the other two members can terminate the trilateral North American agreement and strike a bilateral one.

“They can basically pull the chute and kick you out by virtue of what they feel violates that clause,” said Peter MacKay, who served as foreign minister under Trudeau’s predecessor and is now a partner at law firm Baker & McKenzie LLP. “The government doesn’t seem to be very forthcoming as to why they would want to become supplicant to the United States in a trade war with China.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -ambitions

This means Canada will be kicked out of USMCA if they *bleep* off Trump or his predecessors.

Get it?

That means the US can threaten Canada with future tariffs should they defy Trump's USMCA regarding China or any other "non-market economy."

That would be suicide. Example? The less than 2% GDP Canada is currently stuck with. Complete and utter veto power over the Canadian economy.

Not good.
You don't have a clue do you? Any one of the 3 countries can opt out. Trump and the US has no special powers with the USMCA over Canada especially......NO VETO power. It's the exact same thing we had with NAFTA.....about any country being able to opt out of NAFTA with a written 6 months notice of withdraw from the pact. Here let me summerize for the slow and the echo chamber brained Trump enablers, the only difference regarding this issue from the old to the new pact is the 3 month written submission to the other 2 partners about an intention to do business with a non market country. But yeah keep drinking that kool-aid from MacKay and Sceer about that. It's the same credible argument about Canada losing our sovereignty by signing the UN Migration AGREEMENT

[Country plough boy]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... ss-racist/

[Robert7461]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/20/academic-study-shows-donald-trump-made-america-less-racist/

Ya.....did you read this part?

The University of Pennsylvania study is a little shy on this point, but raises the theory that people have found Trump’s pronouncements on migrants, Mexicans and so on to be so reprehensible that it has inspired them to think about their own attitudes.

So basically Trump is such a racist a hole that some Americans aren't trying to emulate him? Okay.....

*sorry* I think I found my quote from a different article. Your Breitbart site - whatever it is - has writers that seem to want to have a sexual relationship with Trump. He didn't mock a disabled reporter, he loves everyone and everything, he has a huge cock, he doesn't daily pound one out to his daughter, he's the greatest person ever!!!!

[Ub2]

What a sick statement.

Who are you . . . Bill Maher?

[floppi]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/20/academic-study-shows-donald-trump-made-america-less-racist/

According to these studies, it's been like this since 2007 so I can understand why Trump enablers and supporters would jump on a story like this.

Researchers find that both conscious and unconscious bias regarding race and sexual orientation declined significantly between 2007 and 2016. For racial attitudes, this change was largely generational, whereas the more relaxed attitudes toward sexuality were found in the population as a whole.

https://psmag.com/social-justice/americ ... homophobic

And the centre suggests the number of hate groups in America, which had dropped between 2011 and 2014, began to climb again during the election campaign. But while race discrimination is still significant and widespread, it is declining—and Mr Trump's accommodation of white supremacists will not be enough to reverse the tide.

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in- ... in-america

[Urban Cowboy]

Since president Ford, every president has released tax returns:
Carter
Reagan
Bush Sr
Clinton
Bush Jr
Obama
Trump... wonder what he has got to hide from US people

Simple he's doing his utmost to hide the truth, about what a truly terrible businessman he really is, and how about the only reason he might be a millionaire (debatable and depends on ones definition), is thanks to his daddy, who actually was a good businessman, and whose only recorded losses were millions that he gave to Donald for failed business deals.

Donald makes snake oil salesman look brilliant and ethical.

[Silverstarqueen]

So Trump, being a real estate business mogul would only hire the best and the brightest regarding an important portfolio such As Secretary of Housing and urban development. So why is it the current guy doesn't know a common acronym for real estate foreclosures (which constitute a third of his operations)? (Incidentally, his background is in medicine, and he's a bright guy, just doesn't know much about the Real estate business).

https://boingboing.net/2019/05/21/oreo-speedcookie.html

[Country plough boy]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... ican-jobs/