Electric cars/Tesla/Solar power

[maryjane48]

China expects coal electricity generation to be 1100GW come 2020 which would be higher than what it is now. The coal cap electrical generation keeps rising. China's new gen 4 reactors are but a bare drop in the bucket at hundreds of MW, even IF the first two small capacity reactors comes online in 2017. Gen 4 reactors isn't new tech. I hope the world goes through a nuclear and safe revival of the technology.
I think Chinas reporting is dubious and the time lines are much longer. We will see how long Tesla can keep going further in debt.

tesla isnt it debt lol musk has govt co ntracts to lift stuff to space . haha thats guarenteed trillions . plus tesla the car company is leaving gm ford dodge in the dust . lol try facts

[hobbyguy]

Huh wha?

[mikest2]

Spellcheck and grammerfix are out of order, they must run on CO2, 'cause we're not out of bull dung !

[Jlabute]

Tesla debt is just over 7 billion.

Dec 2008 - 55M
Dec 2009 - 1M
Dec 2010 - 72M
Dec 2011 - 271M
Dec 2012 - 411M
Dec 2013 - 599M
Dec 2014 - 1,877M
Dec 2015 - 2,068M
Dec 2016 - 5,978M
Today - 7,148M

Tesla is hoping to sell 500,000 vehicles yearly up to 2020 and hoping model 3 will get them at this target. Dropping oil prices and a lot of new competition makes this target very optimistic.also, Tesla will have to increase production by 10x to get there. 2017/2018 are important years and may determine if Tesla fails or not.

http://www.economist.com/sites/default/ ... motors.pdf

[Jlabute]

Tesla, in the last week had their stock drop by 20% so they are no longer 'biggest' auto company at least in terms of stock value. Tesla stock is greatly over priced. It was sited that tesla once again has delivered fewer cars than expected. There have been battery production shortages too. Sales of the high end models are tapering off and there is not much markup in the cheaper vehicles. Hopefully they can hang in.

[The Green Barbarian]

Tesla, in the last week had their stock drop by 20% so they are no longer 'biggest' auto company at least in terms of stock value. Tesla stock is greatly over priced. It was sited that tesla once again has delivered fewer cars than expected. There have been battery production shortages too. Sales of the high end models are tapering off and there is not much markup in the cheaper vehicles. Hopefully they can hang in.

They also don't have buddies in the White House anymore to keep the flow of government cash going into their bank accounts. Tesla on its own without the millions of government dollars of support just can't survive. It's not sustainable.

[Omnitheo]

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2 ... -solarcity

Tesla CEO Elon Musk promised back in March that his electric car company, which also owns solar energy provider SolarCity, could help the state of South Australia with its routine weather-caused blackout issues. At the time, Musk said Tesla was so serious about the endeavor, he wrote on Twitter that the project could be completed within 100 days of a signed deal or it’d come free of charge. Now, Tesla is getting the opportunity to make good on that promise, as the company has won the government of South Australia’s bid to build what would be the world’s largest lithium-ion battery.

Tesla beat out 91 international bidders for the project — perhaps because of Musk’s clout (and proven track record) and his audacious claim to waive the installation fee — to supply South Australia with a 100-megawatt lithium-ion energy storage solution. It would be the largest lithium-ion battery system ever made, and it appears to involve a substantial scaling up of Tesla’s current commercial Powerpack system first unveiled back in 2015.

“Upon completion by December 2017,” the statement goes on, “this system will be the largest lithium-ion battery storage project in the world and will provide enough power for more than 30,000 homes, approximately equal to the amount of homes that lost power during the blackout period.” The next largest battery of this kind is 30 megawatts, Musk said in interview conducted with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Of course, the company has made substantial progress on the utility front since the Powerwall and Powerpack’s introduction two years ago. Tesla now supplies energy to the Hawaiian island of Kauai using a large solar energy plant running on the very same Powerpack technology. Medium-sized businesses are also turning to Tesla tech for energy storage, including the Sierra Nevada Brewing Co., while the city of Los Angeles now uses a Powerpack energy storage facility Tesla built into Southern California Edison’s Mira Loma substation in Ontario, California to power 15,000 homes.

[JagXKR]

My prediction is a massive explosion that may even end with deaths. Li-Ion is incredibly dangerous especially if it heats up to much. Watch the stock tank after that. 100 Megawats is something that has never been done and may be above the realistic maximum threshold for this technology.

[Jlabute]

That's one big battery. The purpose of the battery is storage, because renewables are unreliable. This enormous battery will also have a super inverter to provide 230VAC for a lot of homes. Lithium is dangerous, I'd rather live beside a nuclear power plant or waste site. Just saying. Think of it as a Samsung Note 7 the size I'd a small stadium waiting to erupt. Lithium loses capacity the day it shops, and will lose efficiency over 8 years or less and need replacing. Not only that, production of lithium batteries is enormously polluting - it was written that a manufactured Tesla battery is equivalent to 8 years of driving a gas vehicle. Renewables by itself was a disaster in Australia. What this endeavour really is, is a gigantic virtue machine to make people feel better. It is no less polluting, and a lot more complicated and expensive.


https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/all- ... -batteryt/

Boom goes the battery
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles ... gy-Storage

http://echemion.com/blog-lithiumion.html

[maryjane48]

My prediction is a massive explosion that may even end with deaths. Li-Ion is incredibly dangerous especially if it heats up to much. Watch the stock tank after that. 100 Megawats is something that has never been done and may be above the realistic maximum threshold for this technology.

you do know musk owns space x right? thats worth trillions . plus who is more successful you or musk?

[Ub2]

This one's for you MJ.

Volvo acknowledges it is taking a huge gamble on discontinuing the exclusive use of their internal combustion engines starting in 2019. They believe it will pay-off taking the lead on this.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Volvo launching only EVs and hybrids starting in 2019

http://www.leftlanenews.com/volvo-launching-only-evs-and-hybrids-starting-in-2019-96830.html

[maryjane48]

https://www.gtplanet.net/u-k-will-outla ... ign=buffer

[Sparki55]

10% of the population will be driving in the UK after 2040 once the old vehicles are phased out. Bunch of speculative nonsense that is too far in the future.

I assume you are posting this due to your constant need to push what you find to be "green". Have you researched how car batteries are produced? They materials and how they are sourced will surprise you; if you have researched how they are produced then this being "green" should make no sense to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_aspects_of_the_electric_car
"Mining and processing of metals such as lithium, copper, and nickel uses energy and can release toxic compounds. In regions with poor legislature, mineral exploitation can increase risks further. The local population may be exposed to toxic substances through air and groundwater contamination"

[maryjane48]

a them metals will get mined and used regardless . thats not even anything close to a inteligent rebuttal . . and theres silicon batteries being developed as other nonlithium batteries . its uk law now . and other will follow . just matter of when not if

[alfred2]

uk is a small country, how long do you think it would take to drive from kelowna to winnipeg ? It would take at least a week and a half instead of 2 days , because just to charge the batteries. I can see bannning fuel driven cars in about 60 to 70 years, at that time it will do it on its own