All things Trump

[Atomoa]

The other Trump thread is severely limited and censored.

Creating this thread is for open discussion about Trump and all things that can relate to Trump's Presidency and policies. This can be historical, comparative and even philosophical.

Feel free to talk about whatever you like.

[Atomoa]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tax-day-protests-1.4071890

20 arrested as violent clashes break out between pro- and anti-Trump protesters in Berkeley, Calif.

Remember that anti-Trump protesters are protesting Trump supporters political beliefs. The antifa and black-masked left wingers throwing firecrackers into crowds are there to disrupt and attack people who are gathering based on their political beliefs.

I have been to #occupy, the anti-Iraq war vote protests and the infamous WTO in Seattle. I have never associated myself with any sort of group that attacks others, uses violence or wants to disrupt people from gathering based on their political opinions. I'm as left wing as it gets, a socialist and a non-Trump supporter - but if I was in Berkeley I probably would have put on a Trump hat so that I was on the right side of history.

[Queen K]

now how the DNC and the failed Clinton dynasty can be discussed openly and honestly in respect to how an outsider like Trump can get in.

That other thread is for the first hundred days of the administration, if NK lets it get to 100 days.

So, with that in mind, let the games begin!

[Drip_Torch]

now how the DNC and the failed Clinton dynasty can be discussed openly and honestly in respect to how an outsider like Trump can get in.

I look forward to reading that discussion, but first...

With regards to Berkeley - REALLY? Someone could view the street battle against the "rise of communism in America" as a legitimate reason to take to the streets with a stick to bash some neo Marxist heads?



I've gotta be honest with you, Based Stickman, should be before a judge and I wouldn't want anything to do with him or his cause.

Then we have Nathan Damigo, a white nationalist, who saw first hand the "devastation caused by multiculturalism" in Iraq, and came home to rob and assault a taxi driver, of middle eastern decent, because he thought he might be Iraqi. Nathan recently gained notoriety again with this video, in which he appears to sucker punch a girl, while his companions were busy kicking some guy down on the ground. (Apparently, no longer willing to wait for god to be the judge - I guess.)



That's the right side of history? Personally, if I were in Berkeley I would have probably gone to the library or a coffee shop.

By the way Antifa isn't anti-trump - it's anti-fascist, but either way I really don't support their cause either because it's not the rise of fascism that's hurting America - it's the rise of hatred. Weak minded individuals that have found a cause in white nationalism that they feel explains their low lot in life.

[fvkasm2x]

I dislike Trump. I dislike inbred white morons who have the education level of a 10 year old. I dislike racists and KKK members.

I am not a Trump supporter, nor do I think like most of the people that support him.

That said, it's clearly obvious to me (and should be to everyone) that the vast majority of riots, assaults and any other problem is almost exclusively caused by people protesting AGAINST these people. These "liberals" who cover the faces and resort to vandalizing stuff and assaulting people are far worse IMO than the other side.

It's odd to me that there are so many incidents of damage and aggression by the left, but they quickly blame everyone else. Oh there were riots during a BLM march? Those aren't liberals, those are gangs who just use the protest as an excuse to riot. Oh there were riots during a women's march? Those aren't liberals, they were paid by the right to start problems to discredit us. Oh there were riots during a speech by Milo on campus? Those weren't liberals, they were people defending themselves against racists.

And so on...

[Drip_Torch]

I dislike Trump. I dislike inbred white morons who have the education level of a 10 year old. I dislike racists and KKK members.

I am not a Trump supporter, nor do I think like most of the people that support him.

That said, it's clearly obvious to me (and should be to everyone) that the vast majority of riots, assaults and any other problem is almost exclusively caused by people protesting AGAINST these people. These "liberals" who cover the faces and resort to vandalizing stuff and assaulting people are far worse IMO than the other side.

It's odd to me that there are so many incidents of damage and aggression by the left, but they quickly blame everyone else. Oh there were riots during a BLM march? Those aren't liberals, those are gangs who just use the protest as an excuse to riot. Oh there were riots during a women's march? Those aren't liberals, they were paid by the right to start problems to discredit us. Oh there were riots during a speech by Milo on campus? Those weren't liberals, they were people defending themselves against racists.

And so on...

Fair enough, but I'm not certain that these people are any more representative of the left, than Richard (Hail Trump) Spencer, or Milo (13 is old enough to consent to sex) Yiannopoulos are representative of the right. It seems to me this whole "free speech" "anti communist" movement is simply a bunch of misguided young people looking to gain attention.

Case in point: 22 year old, Lauren Southern, of rebel fame, author of the book "how the baby boomers, immigration and Islam screwed my generation."



Seriously... put on red hat to support that?

Not me.

[Barney Google]

Oh goodie...another thread to vent our collective spleens in outrage over the non-stop, ever

forthcoming Trump debacles and blunders. Yahoo!!!!

[Atomoa]

How did we get Trump in the first place?

Russia? Sexism? Fakenews?

No.

‘Shattered’ Charts Hillary Clinton’s Course Into the Iceberg

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/book ... .html?_r=0

It’s the story of a wildly dysfunctional and “spirit-crushing” campaign that embraced a flawed strategy (based on flawed data) and that failed, repeatedly, to correct course. A passive-aggressive campaign that neglected to act on warning flares sent up by Democratic operatives on the ground in crucial swing states, and that ignored the advice of the candidate’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, and other Democratic Party elders, who argued that the campaign needed to work harder to persuade undecided and ambivalent voters (like working-class whites and millennials), instead of focusing so insistently on turning out core supporters.

The authors of “Shattered,” however, write that even some of her close friends and advisers think that Clinton “bears the blame for her defeat,” arguing that her actions before the campaign (setting up a private email server, becoming entangled in the Clinton Foundation, giving speeches to Wall Street banks) “hamstrung her own chances so badly that she couldn’t recover,” ensuring that she could not “cast herself as anything but a lifelong insider when so much of the country had lost faith in its institutions.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/32 ... s-so-phony

In "Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign," The Hill's Amie Parnes and Sidewire's Jonathan Allen write that members of the Clinton campaign reached out to Sanders aides in late September to share a script of an ad they wanted the Vermont senator to record.In the ad, Sanders would tout Clinton for her education, healthcare and minimum wage proposals.

And he would talk about how then-Republican nominee Donald Trump was wrong about climate change and the economy.
At the end of the script were the words: "I'm with her."

“It’s so phony!” Sanders said. “I don’t want to say that.”

Sanders did not use the slogan in the ad.

[Glacier]

Speaking of race. Here's exclusive data that you might be interested in. Clinton apologists drone on and on about how they lost because their supporters stayed home while all the angry white men show up at the polls. The funny thing is that it was the Hispanic vote that surged, not the non-Hispanic white vote. This graph shows that the correlation between a state's Hispanic population and the increased voting was astoundingly strong.

If we take out New Mexico the correlation is over 0.6 (1.0 is perfect correlation).

[Atomoa]

Apparently in the book, the most revealing moment was when Hillary confided with her staff that she didn't understand what was happening in the country. (i.e. the anger). Also interesting was the knowledge that Obama had to phone Hillary and convince her to concede to Donald Trump. Obama had to call John Podesta too - the Clinton team apparently needed convincing from the President.

When you've been driven around the last 25 years by chauffeurs you tend to lose touch.

The sad thing is the DNC still won't admit they are at fault. Despite Trumps faults, it is of my opinion that he will win a second term when you consider the state of the opposition and what they (dont) stand for.

Scrambling desperately for any vector to remove the political party you oppose isn't politics - it's coup planning. How will calling Trump a Russian or "getting him on his tax returns" give people in the US better health care? How will it change the fact the DNC is owned by Wall Street and corporations?

You remove Trump and there is still a giant *bleep* in the room.

[Omnitheo]

Atomoa, why didn't you just title the thread "all things Clinton" as we know that's what you want to talk about. If you're going to accuse Clinton of needing convincing from the president to concede (because apparently lifelong politicians can't understand vote results themselves O_o ) then what does that say about Trump outright saying during the election that he would not concede to democracy and the will of the people if he lost?

[Atomoa]

Atomoa, why didn't you just title the thread "all things Clinton" as we know that's what you want to talk about.

Hillary Clinton and the DNC served you up Trump on a platter and this is my thread where people are free to talk about all things relating to Donald Trump's presidency. If you want to limit discussion and invalidate and remove opinions you dont like by accusing them of being off topic, go to the other Trump thread.

If you're going to accuse Clinton of needing convincing from the president to concede

I'm not accusing, I'm relaying information found in the book which is not being questioned or denied by Clinton, Obama or the Clinton team. It was obvious that she refused to concede, and she behaved exactly like she hypothesized how Trump would behave if he lost. They still are refusing to accept the results - Russia is the DNC's birther movement and Rachel Maddow has become a unhinged version of Glenn Beck

Obama wasn't even born here ! Trump was elected by Russians! - Same flipping thing.

The more we focus on the real reasons why Trump won - the closer we are to getting a better alternative. The more people focus on political non issue drama, Russia and tax returns the more corrupt the DNC gets and the more cemented Trump's position is.

"Hating Donald Trump" is a failed plan. Just ask Hillary

[Drip_Torch]

"Hating Donald Trump" is a failed plan. Just ask Hillary

Yes, Donald Trump shows us you have to unleash the broad hatred, if your going to play politics in that manner.

[Atomoa]

Yes, Donald Trump shows us you have to unleash the broad hatred, if your going to play politics in that manner.

At this point I'd really have to disagree with you, regarding which "side" is more about hate.

Trumps "muslim ban" is overblown. Here in Canada we are having our own border jumping problems and suddenly we all realize how building a wall (or actually enforcing immigration laws) isn't racist at all. Aside from those false narratives being spun about "love Trumps hate" - what is Trump exactly hating? Corrupt Washington politics? Neoliberalism? After 35+ years of being screwed by both the GoP and DNC, the citizens of the US dont have the right to get mad? Everyone should be smiling and saying that America is peachy?

In terms of "hate" being spun on the so-called faux left DNC crowd, it's beyond epic at this point. Trump-hate was the foundation and complete undertone of Hillary's entire campaign. Hating the people on the left not falling into line and supporting Hillary and then on the right, calling people "dumb inbred hicks" who voted for Trump for being stupid enough to reject policies that have resulted in them losing their jobs and having their children inherit a generation where they are worse off than their parents. David Brock dumped 20 million+ dollars into paying online trolls to flood forums and message boards calling people like me sexist Bernie Bros and Russian spies. The McCarthyism that the DNC has embraced will be looked at in history as one of the ugliest death rattles of a failing political party. The protests by violent antifa and out of touch false-left people trying to shut down people voicing their opinions. You literally cannot say in public you support Trump, even here in Canada. I see the faux-left wrapping their arms around the CIA and George Bush in order to take a shot at Trump.

If Trump is a cloud of hate, his opponents are a hurricane of it.

[Omnitheo]

I feel this would be the perfect place to post a video clip of Trump blaming democrats for his failed healthcare bill, when it was his own party's support he needed, and his constant attacks against Nancy Polosi referring to her as a loser.

We don't need to theorize about who is directing hate. It's being regurgitated right out of the swamp kings mouth on live television.