Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 4:17 pm
by the truth
exactly, need they say more,europe proves that, and canada is well on it way to be no different
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 4:22 pm
by FreeRights
Jlabute wrote:If anything, I think politicians lag behind what their constituents already believe. If there is rising hatred for Islam, it is mostly due to what Islam imposes on the world in terms of violence, rape, etc. Islam is not about peace. The "http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey%20of%20muslims%20in%20canada%202016%20-%20final%20report.pdf" report being paid for by Muslims is probably biased and says the thing most Muslims hate about Canada is the cold. I saw a poll in the Vancouver Sun that would disagree saying 42% of Muslims believe western values are irreconcilable with Islam.
Poll: "OTTAWA - A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida. The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so."
There is a lot not to trust.
Where does it say that survey is paid for by Muslims?
All I can find is several groups that sponsored and conducted the survey and none of them are Muslim groups.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 4:29 pm
by Poindexter
Jlabute wrote:If anything, I think politicians lag behind what their constituents already believe. If there is rising hatred for Islam, it is mostly due to what Islam imposes on the world in terms of violence, rape, etc. Islam is not about peace. The "http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey%20of%20muslims%20in%20canada%202016%20-%20final%20report.pdf" report being paid for by Muslims is probably biased and says the thing most Muslims hate about Canada is the cold. I saw a poll in the Vancouver Sun that would disagree saying 42% of Muslims believe western values are irreconcilable with Islam.
Poll: "OTTAWA - A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida. The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so."
There is a lot not to trust.
I get what you're saying. I'm not a Islam apologist by any standard, I fully support reformation. I just believe it isn't too much to ask that those who make this their home already are able to practice thier faith without fear or intimidation. In many ways it's in everyone's best interest because Muslim communities in countries such as a Canada and the US, will be key if Islam is ever going to catch up with the 21st century.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 4:55 pm
by the truth
so now we need them to catch up to the 21st century
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 5:17 pm
by Poindexter
the truth wrote:so now we need them to catch up to the 21st century
What century would you prefer?
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 7:15 pm
by Glacier
f/22 wrote:Knock, knock, Glacier.
It's the OP, here to visit.
Glacier wrote:I wonder if the OP is a racist bigot. Both catholic and islamic hate crimes are up about 60% and yet not a single mention of the fact. If you think some hate crimes are worse than others, you're the bigot.
Hi f/22, in another post I clarified that I don't think you're a bigot. I think that you've been duped by click-bait headlines that don't put everything in proper perspective. 159 hate crimes are bad and wrong, but it's one of the smallest most minuscule crimes in Canada. 159 people represent 0.0004% of the country. The numbers are so small that a small change in reporting or just the normal variation from year to year leads to strange headlines like hate crimes against Muslims ... or Catholics... are up by 60%. The reason Muslim crimes are up by 61% is the same reason Catholic crimes are up by 57%. It's such a small number of people in Canada doing these things (thankfully) that a few extra incidents, probably by the same disgruntaled guy, can cause the numbers to skyrocket.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 4th, 2017, 8:08 pm
by Jlabute
FreeRights wrote:
Jlabute wrote:If anything, I think politicians lag behind what their constituents already believe. If there is rising hatred for Islam, it is mostly due to what Islam imposes on the world in terms of violence, rape, etc. Islam is not about peace. The "http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey%20of%20muslims%20in%20canada%202016%20-%20final%20report.pdf" report being paid for by Muslims is probably biased and says the thing most Muslims hate about Canada is the cold. I saw a poll in the Vancouver Sun that would disagree saying 42% of Muslims believe western values are irreconcilable with Islam.
Poll: "OTTAWA - A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida. The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so."
There is a lot not to trust.
Where does it say that survey is paid for by Muslims?
All I can find is several groups that sponsored and conducted the survey and none of them are Muslim groups.
The Tessellate Institute is a non profit Muslim organization, plus many acknowledgements in the report. Olive Tree transfers funds to Hamas. Many donors involved in the $200K report.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 5th, 2017, 3:19 pm
by Thinktank
Jlabute wrote: If there is rising hatred for Islam, it is mostly due to what Islam imposes on the world in terms of violence, rape, etc.
I thought I already proved - USA is the #1 warmonger country for violence - by far - and also the #1 rape country.
USA is Christian.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 5th, 2017, 4:36 pm
by Glacier
Actually, South Africa and Sweden have much higher rates of rape.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 6th, 2017, 6:54 am
by f/22
Jlabute wrote:If anything, I think politicians lag behind what their constituents already believe. If there is rising hatred for Islam, it is mostly due to what Islam imposes on the world in terms of violence, rape, etc. Islam is not about peace. The "http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey%20of%20muslims%20in%20canada%202016%20-%20final%20report.pdf" report being paid for by Muslims is probably biased and says the thing most Muslims hate about Canada is the cold. I saw a poll in the Vancouver Sun that would disagree saying 42% of Muslims believe western values are irreconcilable with Islam.
Poll: "OTTAWA - A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida. The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so."
There is a lot not to trust.
Yep, merci, that is an interesting article.
A lot of homework to check all the links and references.
This study is based on quantitative data from a telephone survey in Ottawa2 and qualitative data from focus groups held across the country. Insofar as ethnic-community surveys are concerned, the survey involved a relatively large, representative sample of 455 Muslims along with a small sample (n=47) of Christians from Arab countries for comparative purposes.
For Glacier's sake, I hope those Christians were Catholics.
So, homework to do on that survey and still a lot to go through on the Pointe De Bascule” article.
Finding many broken links in the references.
This could all take a while . . ..
Oh, and nothing from “Pointe De Bascule” on Environics since the 2015 article - - - not even a comment on the 2016 survey when it came out.
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 8th, 2017, 8:12 pm
by f/22
This is my FP for this thread, the same as over on another thread.
Why did Pilar College lift its ban on the Muslim veil called the 'hijab'? Jesuit priest Albert Alejo, who joined dialogues on the issue, explains this to Rappler.
"I suggest that we can profit [sic] if we distinguish between position and values . . .."
Re: Hate crimes against Muslims up: What may have helped in
Posted: Sep 26th, 2017, 11:41 pm
by Jlabute
neilsimon wrote:
keith1612 wrote:... ohh yes i see your point, people are getting murdered all over kelowna by muslim terrorists. everyone is really happy and secure in europe i suppose. damn lying news stations posting fake bombings , stabbings , etc.
Your chance of dying in the EU this year from a terrorist attack is about 1 in 8 million. That's roughly 1 person in 40 Kelownas. That is significantly higher than Canada, but still tiny.
That's roughly 0.0125 per 100,000. The intentional homicide rate in Canada is roughly 1.68. The EU intentional homicide rate is 1.10. That means that the difference in intentional homicide rate between the EU and Canada is 46 times the total terrorist risk for the EU. They could have essentially 50x the terrorist activity they currently do and still be safer than Canada.
Of course, you can go on believing that the EU and Europe are dangerous places, but you will be wrong, very wrong. The news won't report items like these because they are boring, but just because it's boring doesn't mean that it isn't important.
Show your numbers. I see an EU population of about 750M, plus if we take an entire year like 2016 with about 474 terrorist deaths in just Western Europe you’d be looking at least 1 death in every 1.5M... but include assaults and rape then it is 1 in 5, with so few Muslims.
