oldtrucker wrote:I find it interesting that people think that they would die quickly in such an event. Fact is that even assuming a 150 kiloton detonation over the Pacific naval command headquarters in Pearl Harbour, the casualties would be at most 20,000 deaths and 120,000 injuries, mainly from burns. Unless someone is within 0- 5 kms, they won't have a quick death if outside and unprotected.
6.0 earthquake is equivalent to the bomb dropped on August 6, 1945
Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 18th, 2018, 2:51 pm
by GordonH
oldtrucker wrote:Ya...if NK targets the population ,casualties would be much higher. I'm going to guess that the CEP of a single warhead from NK would be 2000m or less. Just a guess. I'm assuming there are no mirv's at play either.Single rv's only. When using nukemap...I almost always click 100% chance of no burn and use 1.5 to 2.5 psi. Hope it doesn't happen...but the reality is it's not if ,it's when. Unless we do a pre-emptive,we have less than a year before NK has 10-15 fusion, and 60-80 fission, making a war unwinnable if you know what I mean.
Knowing how successful Iron Dome is protecting Israel from missile attacks (I know not nukes). I expect US has even more effective one protecting themselves (connected with NORAD).
Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 18th, 2018, 3:17 pm
by Thinktank
So Trump knew there was no missile going to Hawaii? Everyone remember the way George Bush knew there was an attack on 9/11?
^ He knew.
Of course Trump knows stuff. He knows N Korea would never start a war. Why would they start a war? Wars are expensive. North Korea is like Cuba - they desperately need a few American dollars. Not a war.
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Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 18th, 2018, 3:21 pm
by GordonH
oldtrucker wrote:Fort Greely AK, Vandenberg CA are the only missile defence launch points in western N America. 40% hit rate. Let's assume a 50 warhead attack for funzies. A 25% RV failure rate and a 50% NORAD ABM success rate. Approx 15-20 warheads would find their targets. 1 or 2 hits on Naval complex Kitsap just outside Seatle. I have no faith in any ABM system we have.(Norad) Maybe we should buy S-400,S- 500 's from Russia. I don't know about you but I really miss Nukemap 3D.
oldtrucker wrote:There is no way a MIM-104 can hit a RV doing 5 km/s in any circumstance. It's not designed to do that. Anything over 1.5 km/s ,65000 ft , 17-20 kms away and the MIM-104 is out of it's league. Unfortunately,(or for the better,if you agree with ABM treaties) there is no defence system that can reliably hit a RV,including the navy's new magnetic rail gun. Nothing. Google" RV Kura test range".
I sure the US defence has in place defence systems that no one is aware of, unless they are all about offence with nothing on defence. (Of course I'm sport person, its be proven good defence wins championship with an okay offence.)
Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 18th, 2018, 4:05 pm
by Ka-El
Sometimes, a good offence is the best defense.
Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 19th, 2018, 8:34 am
by Thinktank
How many times do we have to get kicked in the head before we figure things out?
They blamed Saddam for wanting to kill all of us, so they killed him, destroyed his country, killed half a million children and two million other people, and stole Iraq's resources.
They blamed Gadafy for having weapons and wanting to kill all of us, so they killed him, destroyed the country with the highest standard of living in Africa, killed thousands of people and stole their resources.
They blamed bin Laden for having weapons and wanting to kill all of us, so we bombed Afghanistan, killed thousands of people, and now we are free to build pipelines and steal their minerals.
They are blaming Iran for having missiles and wanting to kill all of us, because they want to kill Iran, destroy his country and steal all their resources.
How many times do we have to get kicked in the head before we figure things out? Do you people really think the chubby Dear Leader wants a war with us? Or do our warmongers want to kill him, slaughter a million Koreans, and steal their resources?
When are you guys going to figure things out?
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Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 19th, 2018, 3:05 pm
by LANDM
Thinktank wrote:How many times do we have to get kicked in the head before we figure things out?
They blamed Saddam for wanting to kill all of us, so they killed him, destroyed his country, killed half a million children and two million other people, and stole Iraq's resources.
They blamed Gadafy for having weapons and wanting to kill all of us, so they killed him, destroyed the country with the highest standard of living in Africa, killed thousands of people and stole their resources.
They blamed bin Laden for having weapons and wanting to kill all of us, so we bombed Afghanistan, killed thousands of people, and now we are free to build pipelines and steal their minerals.
They are blaming Iran for having missiles and wanting to kill all of us, because they want to kill Iran, destroy his country and steal all their resources.
How many times do we have to get kicked in the head before we figure things out? Do you people really think the chubby Dear Leader wants a war with us? Or do our warmongers want to kill him, slaughter a million Koreans, and steal their resources?
When are you guys going to figure things out?
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They have no useful resources. They just want to kill him for the sport.
Re: Missile Strike Warning, Hawaii
Posted: Jan 20th, 2018, 6:47 pm
by Catsumi
Quirks and quarks, cbc radio, said today that there were actually TWO false alarms in Hawaii, a couple of days apart.
So, in the case of real attack, who is going to drop everything, run and hide?