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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby kibbs » Jan 21st, 2013, 9:15 am

My grandmother ended up running naked eatin dirt .They tied her to a chair.We looked for something better. Gettin old sucks.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby GenuinelyInterested » Jan 21st, 2013, 3:24 pm

Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de ... care-homes

Care home directors and owners to be made criminally liable for abuse
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99549.html

Investigations into abuse allegations at care homes involving people with intellectual disabilities say residents have been physically assaulted and neglected, causing experts to call for better training and greater supervision in the homes.
Read it on Global News: Global News | Calls grow for better training at care homes for people with disabilities
http://www.globalnews.ca/calls+grow+for ... story.html

Swiss man admits abusing 100 in his care
http://mg.co.za/article/2011-02-01-swis ... n-his-care

Scandal of neglect in Britain's care homes: NHS survey of 63,000 elderly residents reveals one in three are living in fear of abuse
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2IeQYyFyr
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abuse.html

"Fine and ban care home abuse bosses": Minister wants action on firms profiting from cruelty
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ca ... mb-1483976

Dying senior ignored for days at care home
Read more: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/dying-senior-ignor ... z2IeRORLtR
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/dying-senior-ignor ... -1.1059917



Now find that much info about abuse of prisoners in less than the 10 minutes it took me to find those links in the first 3 pages of a Google search.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby oneh2obabe » Jan 21st, 2013, 5:48 pm

In southern India, relatives sometimes quietly kill their elders. Even as India debates the morality and legality of euthanasia, three districts in the southern state of Tamil Nadu have been quietly carrying out a homegrown version for decades, or centuries, depending on whom you ask.

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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby kibbs » Jan 21st, 2013, 7:57 pm

Drikin the koolaid sounds better than an old folks home .Guess i know what my retirement plans are .Robbin banks
either that or im goin here,
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby kibbs » Jan 21st, 2013, 8:37 pm

When my gram was 82 ,and I was 21 my my grandad died .All my aunts and uncles wanted to put her in a home and sell her property.She didn't want to go and asked if i would move in her extra house next door and help her.So i did and i spent the next 10 years takin of care of her and her house and gardens.when she was 92 she got Alzheimer and said she was ready.It was the best years of my life ,I miss her dearly .She only lasted a year after that.I think more should keep their elders close to home.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby MyWorld » Jan 22nd, 2013, 8:41 pm

Maybe the higher ups need to look at the prison system as well. Why do they get better treatment?

Having said that, if you have ever worked in one of the said facilities in town you would know how severely understaffed most of them are. Add to that increasing expectations from the employer to be more efficient with less and increasing demands from the family ("why can't you get to mother as soon as she rings the call bell?") people are not enjoying the job they once loved. I'm certainly not condoning any type of abuse of mistreatment of the elderly, but if you get to the heart of what is going on I bet it is due to lack of appropriate staffing. Health care costs are up and people don't want to pay more and that equals disaster.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby kibbs » Jan 22nd, 2013, 9:03 pm

I was at sutherland to day singing with choir ,Its was really appreciated ,Looking In their eyes, I felt like some had been put on a white mans ice flow.They accept volunteers, there is a way to make it better.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby fvkasm2x » Jan 23rd, 2013, 4:26 am

People who share those things on Facebook or talk about it elsewhere (forums or real life) have obviously never been to prison. The food is terrible and the "access" to medical and dental facilities is a joke.

Yes it is free and yes they have a roof over their head/3 meals a day...

But you lose your freedom. You get beaten or raped. You get muscled for your food/drugs, so you might not actually get any. You have to sleep in a tiny little cell with 2 or 3 other people, whose cleaning habits aren't the best. And so on...
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby MyWorld » Jan 24th, 2013, 10:34 pm

Maybe in maximum security, but not in all. They have been able to get a free education, trades training, meals, exercise, regular sleep etc etc. There is a reason their freedoms have been taken away and for good reason. I get why some people use the comparison, but there are prisoners who have it way better than seniors...thats a problem.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby fvkasm2x » Jan 25th, 2013, 1:14 am

MyWorld wrote:Maybe in maximum security, but not in all. They have been able to get a free education, trades training, meals, exercise, regular sleep etc etc. There is a reason their freedoms have been taken away and for good reason. I get why some people use the comparison, but there are prisoners who have it way better than seniors...thats a problem.


In my line of work, I've had the "pleasure" of being inside a prison multiple times. I've been to 3 in BC and 4 in Edmonton. Unless you have some sort of information I am not aware of, what I have seen is NOT EVEN CLOSE to something I'd put my grandparents in.

And to say they get regular sleep is a laugh all in itself.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby Atomoa » Jan 25th, 2013, 11:34 am

GenuinelyInterested wrote:Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de ... care-homes

Care home directors and owners to be made criminally liable for abuse
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99549.html

Investigations into abuse allegations at care homes involving people with intellectual disabilities say residents have been physically assaulted and neglected, causing experts to call for better training and greater supervision in the homes.
Read it on Global News: Global News | Calls grow for better training at care homes for people with disabilities
http://www.globalnews.ca/calls+grow+for ... story.html

Swiss man admits abusing 100 in his care
http://mg.co.za/article/2011-02-01-swis ... n-his-care

Scandal of neglect in Britain's care homes: NHS survey of 63,000 elderly residents reveals one in three are living in fear of abuse
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2IeQYyFyr
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abuse.html

"Fine and ban care home abuse bosses": Minister wants action on firms profiting from cruelty
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ca ... mb-1483976

Dying senior ignored for days at care home
Read more: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/dying-senior-ignor ... z2IeRORLtR
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/dying-senior-ignor ... -1.1059917



Now find that much info about abuse of prisoners in less than the 10 minutes it took me to find those links in the first 3 pages of a Google search.


So how many care homes have you been in? Do you have family that live in any locally? Do you have any idea what is entailed with working and/or living in a care home vs a prison. Actually.

Conditions in prisons are deplorable at best. The quality of food is sub par, their sleeping conditions that they have regularly are a thin mattress on metal frame with no support. The pillows may as well be paper. Yes they get exercise and education. Ask them how they can apply that education they received in prison when they're out and they have a criminal record and no one wants to hire them because "they're bad people".

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/201 ... anded.html

Then there's this stuff happening in prisons as well....

I work in a care home. I look after 25 wonderful people. I've been in many care homes locally and around some other provinces. My residents have a room to themselves, their own bathroom, three meals and day and snacks available upon request. The bed they sleep in is adjustable so I can raise the bed to provide safe care for both of us but I can raise the head of the bed and the foot of the bed for added comfort. They can move in any furniture and pictures and such that they want. We encourage them to make it look as much like home as possible. It helps with the dementia. Which I'm sure you probably have zero understanding of how that is one the people and the staff. Residents get one shower a week yes, they are also FAR less active then you or I are. They do not work up body odor or sweat like we do. If there is someone who is greasier then others (which some are and some aren't) then care planning and extra lengths are taken. This all happens in their OWN bathroom. Private. Just myself and them. Unlike group showers where you have to be careful not to drop the soap. Also, have you shower some one before. A full grown person? Try adding dementia in there. Where they've pooped themselves, it's leaked out of their pad because of shear volume from being well fed and they are getting angry and hitting at you and calling you a "bitch" a "*bleep*" a "whore" and yelling that you are trying to kill them and "get away!!! You're going to tear my arm off!" when all you want to do is get them cleaned up because you are just trying to look after them.

I'm not condoning what happened in the cases that you've cited here. I do take offense to the gross generalization that care homes are worse off then prisons. Any one with any lick of sense would know that that is a disgusting comparison and offensive to every single care aide, nurse, ot/pt, dietitian and everyone else that works in a care home. It is back breaking work. Heart wrenching as well. These people are invalids, humans. They are treated with dignity and respect. They are loved.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby kibbs » Jan 25th, 2013, 3:44 pm

The people i have met working with the elderly are the most kind humans on the planet.They have my deepest praise.
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby GenuinelyInterested » Jan 25th, 2013, 6:22 pm

Atomoa wrote:I'm not condoning what happened in the cases that you've cited here. I do take offense to the gross generalization that care homes are worse off then prisons. Any one with any lick of sense would know that that is a disgusting comparison and offensive to every single care aide, nurse, ot/pt, dietitian and everyone else that works in a care home. It is back breaking work. Heart wrenching as well. These people are invalids, humans. They are treated with dignity and respect. They are loved.


How many times have we heard about prisoners being treated as poorly as seniors in rest homes? Can you supply links, as I have, to support your claim to be better than prisons?

YES, I do have a great deal of experience with "care homes".
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby GenuinelyInterested » Jan 25th, 2013, 6:33 pm

No new admissions at Seniors Village
by Ragnar Haagen - Story: 86344
Jan 24, 2013 / 7:56 am


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Interior Health has announced it will continue to maintain clinical oversight of Summerland Seniors Village and the facility will not be accepting any new admissions until the situation has been remedied.

A clinical consultant was brought in on Dec.1 to work with management and oversee the facility’s Residential Care section. A second consultant was brought in a few days later to oversee the Assisted Living area.

“Interior Health’s number one priority is the safety and quality of care delivered to seniors in care,” says Karen Bloemink, IH Regional Director, Residential Services.



“We have taken complaints about this facility very seriously, which is why we conducted our quality reviews and continue to maintain a presence at this site.”

The facility has faced stiff criticism ever since 91-year-old Alfredo Bonaldi was left unattended for several days last year. He later died in hospital.

His family says staff forgot to check on him after he failed to turn up for meals and were unaware he was seriously ill.

Interior Health funds 75 of 80 residential care beds and 18 of 36 assisted living suites at Summerland Seniors Village, which is owned and operated by Retirement Concepts.

There have been three reviews and two inspections of the facility since October of last year. They identified common areas of concern with regards to staffing levels, education and training, and leadership.

As a result, Summerland Seniors Village has been directed to take the following steps:

Increase staffing levels to ensure quality of care for clients.
Bolster its leadership team and nursing oversight to provide stronger support for frontline staff.
Create clearer processes for communicating with staff, residents, and their families and/or caregivers, particularly relating to changes in client care needs.
Develop enhanced procedures for falls prevention, wound care, and the use of least restraint.
Provide ongoing education and training of staff.
Interior Health says it will continue to monitor the situation and the facilities progress in these key areas.


http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... .htm#86344
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Re: What if we treated seniors like prisoners?

Postby Atomoa » Jan 25th, 2013, 10:00 pm

GenuinelyInterested wrote:Can you supply links, as I have, to support your claim to be better than prisons?

YES, I do have a great deal of experience with "care homes".


I have almost 10 years experience in care homes changing adult diapers. How can I link that?

You're cherry picking and don't know what you're talking about.
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