#MeToo

[Jack DeBear]

“Why Handmaid’s Tale author Margaret Atwood is facing #MeToo backlash”

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/17/1 ... ccountable

Link to her comeback in the Globe and Mail that I posted elsewhere here.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58542&start=1860#p2314445

[Silverstarqueen]

IF a female professor had an intimate relationship with on of her students it would be wrong. I think that is standard in most any university. It is a serious breach of ethics and morality. I think most here would agree she should be fired.
So it happened in this case to a male professor. and he was fired. Rightly so. If Atwood wants to defend him (because he is a friend), then she is going to have to put up with some flak.

[Bigjohn69]

http://theprovince.com/news/world/five- ... e=Facebook


Here is a case of a male using others for sexual gratifaction .the others happen to be male

[Bigjohn69]

A New York police officer accused of having sex with a 15-year-old girl and her adult sister reportedly stockpiled videos, photos and a list of women he has bedded, a court heard Wednesday.


http://theprovince.com/news/world/new-y ... e=Facebook

[Jack DeBear]

I’m sorry, I made a finger error and posted the wrong link (above), which I’m still okay about.

But here’s the ‘Canadian’ version of the story

“Margaret Atwood faces backlash for #MeToo op-ed”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/at ... -1.4486936

Margaret Atwood is facing backlash online after writing a controversial opinion piece published in the Globe and Mail Saturday about the potential downside of the #MeToo movement.

In it, she also called for more transparency in the case of Steven Galloway, a former University of British Columbia professor who was fired in 2016.

The revered Canadian author of the The Handmaid's Tale, who titled the essay Am I A Bad Feminist?, is being criticized by some for expressing reservations about the direction of #MeToo — she points out the historical dangers of "guilty because accused" in which "the usual rules of evidence are bypassed."

"Such things are always done in the name of ushering in a better world," she writes. "Sometimes they do usher one in, for a time anyway. Sometimes they are used as an excuse for new forms of oppression."

Atwood, 78, notes the success of the movement, but says it "is a symptom of a broken legal system" which, if not addressed, can result in new power struggles that divide women against one another.

"In times of extremes, extremists win," she writes. "Their ideology becomes a religion, anyone who doesn't puppet their views is seen as an apostate, a heretic or a traitor, and moderates in the middle are annihilated."

<snip>

(but please read the rest.)

And again, this is a link to her comeback in the Globe and Mail that I posted elsewhere here.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=58542&start=1860#p2314445

[foodsmith]

There seems to an attitude out there where "it's better to be safe than sorry",

Absolutely.
I have a career, family, and reputation to consider. It is not fair....but there is simply too much at risk.

I was raised by a real gentleman who espoused treating women with respect and dignity. Open doors, give up your seat, carry the bags, and put them on a pedestal.
Not really very modern....and certainly not treating women as equals.

Look, these acts of service like opening a door for someone are as modern now as they were the day the door was invented.

Treating people as equals has nothing to do with having enough consideration to do things for them -- it's understanding that being a gentleman means acknowledging that pretty much everyone can do them just as easily as you... Be you Man, Woman, Neither, or Both.

[Bigjohn69]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43202797

Heather locklear held on domestic battery charges against her partner

[Silverstarqueen]

Patrick Brown quits (again) after "clearing his name", and supposedly being in the lead in the fight to lead the party. Surely someone who planned to lead a Political party to victory would be a tad more consistent in tackling political storms. It seems he would rather continue to tussle with CTV. Good luck with that. I hope he gets his day in court.

[Jack DeBear]

“. . . (Monica Lewinsky) critiques the culture that put a 24-year-old through the wringer and calls out the feminists who joined the chorus.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/societ ... on-culture

[fvkasm2x]

“. . . (Monica Lewinsky) critiques the culture that put a 24-year-old through the wringer and calls out the feminists who joined the chorus.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/societ ... on-culture

That's really quite an interesting situation and one that can have people arguing for years in circles.

On one hand:

Female sexuality, equality, etc... She can choose her partners and do what she wants. Sexual liberation, freedom and all other encompassing terms you want. Don't shame her for sex and don't treat her like a victim because she has sex.

But then...

He used his position of power and influence to seduce her. He took advantage of her and used his position to take take take. She is a victim and when people use power to get sex, it can easily be considered rape.

Both are correct and there's really no way to argue that one is right and the other is wrong.

[Jack DeBear]

Sure.

And when powerful women turn a blind eye . . .?

In the essay I posted, Monica says the main reason the feminists didn’t lend her any support was because they considered her trash (in all ways beneath the others in Clinton's stable) and Clinton was friendly to the feminist cause so they didn’t want to see any additional waves over her case.

It’s a reason that is supported in this article via an internal link.

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/1998 ... iams199805

[Silverstarqueen]

“. . . (Monica Lewinsky) critiques the culture that put a 24-year-old through the wringer and calls out the feminists who joined the chorus.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/societ ... on-culture

That's really quite an interesting situation and one that can have people arguing for years in circles.

On one hand:

Female sexuality, equality, etc... She can choose her partners and do what she wants. Sexual liberation, freedom and all other encompassing terms you want. Don't shame her for sex and don't treat her like a victim because she has sex.

But then...

He used his position of power and influence to seduce her. He took advantage of her and used his position to take take take. She is a victim and when people use power to get sex, it can easily be considered rape.

Both are correct and there's really no way to argue that one is right and the other is wrong.

Lewinsky is quite clear that the relationship was consensual, so she is not claiming the pres forced himself on her, or had her do anything that she wasn't willing to. Or that he used power to get sex, so she did not claim it was harassment(unwanted), no she never claimed anything remotely like rape. So not a #MeToo example.
She can choose her partners, but I think most married and single people would say it is shameful for her and Clinton to violate his marriage vows. I doubt that feminists would support that.

[Jack DeBear]

From what I've read, it seems to me they did support it.

Here's the intro to the second article I posted yesterday.

Clinton and Women

President Clinton’s sordid entanglements with Jenifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and now Monica Lewinsky, have drawn barely a squeak of protests from the powerful writers, lawyers, activists, politicians, and academics who call themselves feminists. As they struggle with fresh allegations from Kathleen Willey, the author reveals some ugly truths about the women’s movement and the commander in chief.

<snip>

https://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/199 ... iams199805

And Lewinsky describes her experiences with the women’s movement in the first article I posted.

“Shame and Survival”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/societ ... on-culture

Yes, both articles are long.

But I found them both engaging as well as fascinating.

[averagejoe]

Kristen Dunst wears black to oppose male objectification of women. #MeToo

[Silverstarqueen]

For those who think harassment and sexual assault on the job are either not happening or not an important issue because it is just part of earning a living.(Edmonton, not movie stars)

http://canoe.com/news/national/female-g ... harassment