BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

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Postby Nebula » Feb 2nd, 2008, 9:32 pm

Ah. Well I must apologize to you because in my zeal to pounce on any conspiracy theory presented, I did not carefully read your initial post. I have read it again and I see that you did not say Costco cards are a part of some government-led grand design but simply a step towards the same place.

Interesting view.
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Postby Scynite » Feb 4th, 2008, 3:04 am

I've never really specified a source for the promotion of this system.

I may have perhaps implied that the government would be involved, or at least interested in such a system simply because it would net them more tax money from being able to track each transaction you make. That same system that may appear harmless to the unsuspecting, will always have the possibility of being abused, and it's up to every citizen to ensure that it doesn't happen.

But as I've repeated to you time and time and time again, and you decide to ignore it to serve your own purposes, that it doesn't matter who, what, where, when or how this system gets implemented, it's all a moot point if we're walking around with Citizen ID cards or Verichips in our arms.

The end result is the same.

You don't believe all this is a step towards the endgame. I do.

So we might as well agree to disagree. If I'm wrong, for the first time in my life I'll be happy to be wrong.

In the meantime, I don't live in fear or paranoia. I live in vigilant watchfulness.
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Postby Crying-Angel » Feb 4th, 2008, 9:45 am

Umm....pardon me if this seems to be an ignorant question as I had not heard of this before but....if a person has a driver's license as well as a passport. What is the harm in putting both information on one card?

I would prefer because...
1. It would cut down on all the duplicate paperwork. Much simpler to keep it as one service.

2. One fee instead of having to pay this for one and this for the other.

3. One less document to carry around. and it will be due to be updated at the same time however, it will only be one process.
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Postby nolanrh » Feb 4th, 2008, 10:14 am

Scynite wrote:I didnt' say it was mind-control, but social engineering yes. None of these membership cards even need to exist, they serve no purpose whatsoever other than training you to produce them when you either enter a premises (Costco), or when you want some fake savings on your brown rice.


You Sir, are misinformed and may be a little crazy. These cards are of massive value to the retail establishment in question. They allow the company to track purchases on a per customer basis. That kind of instrumentation is very useful when designing advertising material or determining what should be on sale in order to maximize profits.

Scynite wrote:No. Costco was formulated to make people feel they're part of a special club, with 'secret' savings outsiders couldnt benefit from.
Well, don't worry. If you don't buy into these special ID cards coming soon, you'll be left out in the cold too.


W-T-F? Did you just associate Costco's marketing with some conspiracy to promote "special" ID cards?

Scynite wrote:Again, you don't have to agree with my 'theories', as long as you realize that the end result is the same.

You will need a card for pretty much everything. So why not just make it easier for you, Dave, and put it all on one card?


I am an advocate of privacy and an opponent of technology that betrays that privacy. These new ID cards concern me because of their privacy implications. But you're not going to convince anyone with over the top conspiracy theories like these.

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Postby Scynite » Feb 4th, 2008, 11:20 am

Featherbrain wrote:Umm....pardon me if this seems to be an ignorant question as I had not heard of this before but....if a person has a driver's license as well as a passport. What is the harm in putting both information on one card?

I would prefer because...
1. It would cut down on all the duplicate paperwork. Much simpler to keep it as one service.

2. One fee instead of having to pay this for one and this for the other.

3. One less document to carry around. and it will be due to be updated at the same time however, it will only be one process.

There is no harm in putting all your personal information on a card. It's possible uses and abuses of such an ID system, however, is the issue.

Our current system for identifying ourselves to separate parties, regardless of the paperwork, is more than adequate. The Privacy Protection law in Canada protects you from different branches sharing information about you. Opting into a National/Real/Hybrid ID system pretty much destroys that, and allows several bodies to share your information from a central database.

nolanrh wrote:You Sir, are misinformed and may be a little crazy. These cards are of massive value to the retail establishment in question. They allow the company to track purchases on a per customer basis. That kind of instrumentation is very useful when designing advertising material or determining what should be on sale in order to maximize profits.

I am neither misinformed or crazy. In fact I consider myself very informed and very awake to what's happening in our world. I am more sane than the average person, because I see the world as it is. Full of greed and evil.

For the future, perhaps you should spend more time reading through the entire topic and all it's relevant posts to understand the contex of the posts therein, rather simply responding to a post that seems odd to you.

I think you have a comprehension problem. The point I clearly made was that the cards were created to serve the issuers of the cards, and not it's users. In the end you have traded some of your personal information for bogus savings. The end result is that you are providing some sort of identification for yet another transaction in your life.

It's the same at Wal-Mart. Suddenly they want to know what my postal code is when I buy some laundry soap. I refuse to provide it to them. I don't care if it helps them in their marketing research. All it is is another method of extracting personal information about myself. I retain the full right to do so, and I will execute such a right as long as I am able.

nolanrh wrote:W-T-F? Did you just associate Costco's marketing with some conspiracy to promote "special" ID cards?

Nope. Read it again. How old are you? Were you even around when Costco first started and people were walking around bragging about a Costco membership and how only other business people or their friends could sign up with their recommendation? It's not like today where it's relatively open. Back then, you were in a 'special' club that benefited from savings the general public didn't have access to. It made Costco members feel special, and 'privileged'.

The end result is this: You must present your Costco card to the gestapo slaves at the front door, just to enter the store to browse. I've walked through several times just to see what happens (as I played dumb), and 9 times out of 10 they have chased me down about it. Hell, when I orginally went in to get my business membership, the fellow escorted me to the card issuing desk because I wasn't a member.

On the way out, you have to have the goods you have in your hands checked against your reciept.

Once again, you're assumed a criminal. Why don't they start doing this in Safeway? That would be awesome. Present your Safeway card just to enter the store, have someone check your reciept and your grocery bags before you leave.

Costco is peanuts compared to Sea World or Disney World. Just to enter so you go on the rides requires a Biometric ID System.

Now that is madness.


nolanrh wrote:I am an advocate of privacy and an opponent of technology that betrays that privacy. These new ID cards concern me because of their privacy implications.

Good to hear, but what are you doing in your own life to thwart such a system?

nolanrh wrote:you're not going to convince anyone with over the top conspiracy theories like these.

I haven't stated any conspiracy theories. If anything I have pointed to factual government laws that have been passed are in effect that promote this ID system directly. Grant's Law, no matter what your opinion is, has been implemented again by government officials.

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In fact, government would benefit from such a debit ID, cashless system. Now they can tax every transaction you make. Take tracking and the abuse of information out of the equation, the end result is the same. The government makes more money.

But in the end it's all a moot point when we all end up using National/Real ID cards for all our transactions and inevitably a Verichip in our bodies, isn't it?

Then you can argue about who, what, where, why and how an ID system even came into being, but it won't matter.
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby sooperphreek » Mar 8th, 2008, 1:33 pm

i have to agree that in the end its all about tracking, taxes and making citizends cattle to make money. it is an attempt to stop cash transactions.
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby Scynite » Mar 8th, 2008, 4:06 pm

Yes, and in that, and because the government has motive and will directly benefit from a cashless society, I am not so sure why everyone is so quick to chalk it up as just a 'conspiracy'.

Of course the government wants this... so what's the stretch to say they are actively promoting such a system?
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby alyr315 » Apr 7th, 2008, 6:09 pm

SMELL THE FASCISM.

I'm in Toronto and Ontario also just started this trend. Same questions when many states dont like the idea. Why are our policiticians so desperate to rip us off with their fasicsm?

It's the New World Order

Go and see http://www.freedomtofascism.com

Or watch "America: Freedom to Fascism" It will wake you up

SOLUTION to those licences. Put it in the Microwave and NUKE IT. It's that simple

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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby Nebula » Apr 7th, 2008, 6:54 pm

:nutzoid: -[insert commercial for Thorazine here]- :nutzoid:
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby binky11 » Jan 2nd, 2018, 10:20 pm

SOLUTION to those licences. Put it in the Microwave and NUKE IT. It's that simple


So, next month it is mandatory to have the enhanced drivers liscence. I am very opposed to it, but it seems when I go this month to renew my liscence, I have no choice, no opting out. And they say if a cop pulls you over and runs your liscence, they will, not be able to see any of your medical history, I say baloney. I know someone that was pulled over and the cop asked about a medication he used to take months prior. How else would he have known? I can't believe we all sit back and don't fight for our rights. Myself included.
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby Even Steven » Jan 2nd, 2018, 10:57 pm

binky11 wrote:I can't believe we all sit back and don't fight for our rights. Myself included.


Well, you can give up your license and walk everywhere.
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby Jflem1983 » Jan 2nd, 2018, 10:59 pm

Or just dont go to the doctor. No history that way
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby LordEd » Jan 3rd, 2018, 3:37 pm

So, next month it is mandatory to have the enhanced drivers liscence. I am very opposed to it, but it seems when I go this month to renew my liscence, I have no choice, no opting out.
No. The non-picture care card disappears.
You can still get separate driver's license and services/care card. They just look the same. The back says "this is not a driver's license" on the non-combo card.
And they say if a cop pulls you over and runs your liscence, they will, not be able to see any of your medical history, I say baloney. I know someone that was pulled over and the cop asked about a medication he used to take months prior. How else would he have known? I can't believe we all sit back and don't fight for our rights. Myself included.
Highly doubt that. Even if they could, they wouldn't need a special card for that. Your name is common between the two.

Combo card: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/gove ... vices-card

Non-combo card: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/gove ... vices-card

Non-combo card with no photo for kids: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/gove ... vices-card
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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby Hassel99 » Jan 3rd, 2018, 3:50 pm

binky11 wrote:
SOLUTION to those licences. Put it in the Microwave and NUKE IT. It's that simple


So, next month it is mandatory to have the enhanced drivers liscence. I am very opposed to it, but it seems when I go this month to renew my liscence, I have no choice, no opting out. And they say if a cop pulls you over and runs your liscence, they will, not be able to see any of your medical history, I say baloney. I know someone that was pulled over and the cop asked about a medication he used to take months prior. How else would he have known? I can't believe we all sit back and don't fight for our rights. Myself included.



I straight do not believe you. Fear mongering with no evidence at all.
Government can not even build a computer system for payroll......let alone merg medical and criminal databases.

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Re: BC Hybrid Drivers License and privacy

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 3rd, 2018, 4:15 pm

AND here, I thought you were talking about HYBRID cars and a new class of licence to be required to drive one.
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