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wolfen_one wrote: Guess all of us that were born here and whose families have been here for hundreds of years should just move then and give it all back :runforlife:

Nobody has ever even suggested that. I just get tired of people complaining about what pittance is given to aboriginals, who think they deserve nothing, that they should become just like us. They are not like us. Their value systems, culture and their forms of governance are not the same as ours. They have a right to be who they are and they have a right to be compensated for what was taken from them.
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wolfen_one wrote:Guess all of us that were born here and whose families have been here for hundreds of years should just move then and give it all back :runforlife:

Nope.
Instead, let's work toward ways to be good, supportive neighbors to each other.
Let's commit to it.

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Graham Adder wrote:Nope.
Instead, let's work toward ways to be good, supportive neighbors to each other.
Let's commit to it.

You in?

I think acceptance would be a good start. Learning about them and their culture would help in understanding where they are coming from. Forced assimilation hasn't worked. It is time to take another approach. Cooperation would be nice too.
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t the U.S previous to the war of 1812. Allying with the British against the U.S does not IMO show that native peoples as far away as Haida Gwai or anywhere in between had any part of or possibly even any knowledge of what was going on back east. How can people blanket all the First Nations (0ver 600) together, whether it be back then or in the present, with negative or positive stereotypes.

You asked what movie showed that native wanted to share the land equally in peace . Tecumseh idea of a pan-indian country of thier own was that idea .It was not to blanket all natives.That was the area that Canada began at the time .Bc was not Canada at the time.Natives have always wanted to share the land .there culture dictates this.Ownership is our thing.
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That was my kinda my point Kibbs. Blanket statements regarding FN or any other group of people *bleep* me off whether they are positive or negative. Several of my FN friends have not had a lot of abusive,catastophic,family histories, yet a few I know have experienced these things and suffer still. One individual cannot speak for the other.

I hope you understand my point the way I wrote it and choose not to resort to name calling and insults like others here :sunshine:
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Nope.
Instead, let's work toward ways to be good, supportive neighbors to each other.
Let's commit to it.

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Always have been!

I don't like the "systems" in place. This does not mean I dislike FN people.

I want to remind you that I have friends and family that are affected by this stupid system and it needs to be fixed sooner rather than later. Think I'm racist,?call me names? think I'm an idiot? That solves nothing. What should you and I be doing to fix things? Let me know!

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That was my kinda my point Kibbs. Blanket statements regarding FN or any other group of people *bleep* me off whether they are positive or negative.


I understand .I use a term like this to describe a opinion based on the majority of what has been shown to me .To say all first nations wanted to share the the land would be such a blanket statement .The inuit killed Frobisher on sight.But there was more equal cooperation in the beginning.I say native s for presenting opinion .I never say all natives . Mine is to address what I believe to be a majority,
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cliffy1 wrote:The aboriginals have not been defeated in war or ceded their land to treaties, As far as I'm concerned it is still their land. If oil was discovered on your property, would you not expect royalty payments?


If they discovered oil in Europe where my ancestors are from I wouldn't expect a royalty cheque as my relatives there wouldn't even get one. Even if they discover oil in my neighborhood now I wouldn't expect a royalty cheque.
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zzontar wrote:If they discovered oil in Europe where my ancestors are from I wouldn't expect a royalty cheque as my relatives there wouldn't even get one. Even if they discover oil in my neighborhood now I wouldn't expect a royalty cheque.

Did your European ancestors sign treaties with their country of origin? The Crown did sign treaties with our aboriginal people to compensate them for the use of this land, whether for settlement or resource use, except in BC. That is the main difference that makes your example ludicrous. But the aboriginal peoples here are subject to the Indian Act, were put on reserves and had their culture taken from them without due process. This makes the land and resources stolen property. But if you prefer to be ignorant of the facts, that is your prerogative.
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I've stated before that treaties signed long ago that promised one races ancestors must support another races ancestors is about as racist and outdated as trading land for whiskey.
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zzontar wrote:I've stated before that treaties signed long ago that promised one races ancestors must support another races ancestors is about as racist and outdated as trading land for whiskey.


Nobody is disagreeing.

Got any ideas on how to develop a new, fair and respectful system that can work for all without causing any more cultural disintegration?
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Open racism at it's best....right in Disneyland!

After the photos were taken, the family said they watched the rabbit shower the next two children -- an Asian girl and a Caucasian boy -- with kisses and hugs. That's when the Blacks said family members started crying.

http://www.10news.com/news/investigatio ... ims-racism

Racism just isn't taught in the home by parents. It's taught by institutions also. Re-education classes for Disney employees.
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Here's an excellent film from the Passionate Eye about the stereotyping of Aboriginal people by Hollywood (Reel Injuns) that strongly perpetuated racism.

Cree filmmaker Neil Diamond takes an entertaining and insightful look at the Hollywood Indian, exploring the portrayal of Native North Americans through a century of cinema.

Traveling through the heartland of America, and into the Canadian North, Diamond looks at how the myth of "the Native" has influenced the world's understanding - and misunderstanding - of Natives.

Reel Native traces the evolution of cinema's depiction of Native people from the silent film era to today, with clips from hundreds of classic and recent Hollywood movies, and candid interviews with celebrated Native and non-Native film celebrities, activists, film critics and historians.

Diamond meets with Clint Eastwood (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, A Fistful of Dollars, Unforgiven) at his studios in Burbank, California, where the film legend discusses the evolution of the image of Indians in Westerns and what cowboy-and-Indian myths mean to America. Reel Native also hears from legendary Native American activists John Trudell, Russell Means and Sacheen Littlefeather.

Celebrities featured in Reel Native include Robbie Robertson, the half-Jewish, half-Mohawk musician and soundtrack composer (Raging Bull, Casino, Gangs of New York), Cherokee actor Wes Studi (Last of the Mohicans, Geronimo), filmmakers Jim Jarmusch (Dead Man) and Chris Eyre (Smoke Signals) and acclaimed Native actors Graham Greene (Dances with Wolves, Thunderheart) and Adam Beach (Smoke Signals, Clint Eastwood's Flags of our Fathers). Diamond also travels North to the remote Nunavut town of Igloolik (population: 1500) to interview Zacharias Kunuk, director of the Camera d'Or-winning The Fast Runner.

Reel Native's humour and star power is balanced with insightful commentary from film critics and historians, including CBC film critic Jesse Wente, author and scholar of American Indian Studies Angela Aleiss, and associate professor of ethnic studies at Mills College, California, Melinda Micco.

In Reel Native, Diamond takes the audience on a journey across America to some of cinema's most iconic landscapes, including Monument Valley, the setting for Hollywood's greatest Westerns, and the Black Hills of South Dakota, home to Crazy Horse and countless movie legends. Was Crazy Horse the inspiration for the mystical warrior stereotype? In search of answers, we meet his descendants on the desperately poor Pine Ridge Indian reservation in South Dakota.

Reel Native traces the evolution of cinema's depiction of Native people from the silent film era to today, only to find the future of Native cinema in the unlikeliest of places - Canada's North.

It's a loving look at cinema through the eyes of the people who appeared in its very first flickering images and have survived to tell their stories their own way

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/video.html?ID=1454400439
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averagejoe wrote:Open racism at it's best....right in Disneyland!

After the photos were taken, the family said they watched the rabbit shower the next two children -- an Asian girl and a Caucasian boy -- with kisses and hugs. That's when the Blacks said family members started crying.

http://www.10news.com/news/investigatio ... ims-racism

Racism just isn't taught in the home by parents. It's taught by institutions also. Re-education classes for Disney employees.


I don't know if I'd believe a woman with a lengthy criminal record in America... the place where ANYTHING happens and it's a lawsuit.
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