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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Glacier » Oct 11th, 2017, 7:24 am

Huh? I'm a man, and I get it. Most men I know get it. I even go further than just get it. I reject Hollywood's objectification of women and sexualization of entertainment by Weinstein and his ilk have been promoting for decades. If you teach men that women are just sex objects to use as you please, you are going down the wrong road in my opinion.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby JLives » Oct 11th, 2017, 7:35 am

Silverstarqueen wrote:The feminists are really getting out of control now, lining up in droves to sink Weinstein in a hail of allegations of sexual harrassement, misconduct, and sexual assault.
What is also concerning is the number of women who are claiming that this type of behavior occurs daily in the entertainment industry. So obviously it has been just an accepted, normal way of doing business for way too many, powerful, pathological men.
When are men going to "get it" that this behavior has to stop? It's way past time for them to clean up their act. Women in their daily business lives are not just there to fulfill their fantasies.


It occurs daily in every industry. I don't know one single woman that this type of behaviour hasn't happened to.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Oct 11th, 2017, 7:45 am

Yes, most every woman has experienced this, and probably more than once. But listening to the interviews with some of these women, they are saying it occurs daily (not just once in a while). That, I don't think is common (although maybe I've been living in a bubble).
It's also unfortunate that these guys can't seem to be nailed closer to the time of their behaviors. Even with this type of exposure of Weinstein (or Crosby, or Trump, etc.) it is so far after the fact that one guy at a time is managing to harrass and assault many many women, and essentially get away with it. Better late than never, but it is well known in controlling criminal or other infractions, behavior that is punished sooner rather than later is more likely to stop or be reduced, than behavior that is prosecuted much later. And these are only the worst perpetrators that are being exposed publicly, they have dozens of women they have offended against. What chance of catching a guy early in his carreer when there are only a few victims lined up (usually young women who can't risk putting their career in the toilet to prosecute some guy, usually unsuccessfully).
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby rustled » Oct 11th, 2017, 10:49 am

The "casting couch" mentality certainly hasn't gone away.

Perhaps the entertainment industry is simply a preferred arena for predators, because they figure they are less likely to find such a large percentage of potential prey who are desperate to find a foothold in most other career streams.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby JLives » Oct 11th, 2017, 11:01 am

rustled wrote:The "casting couch" mentality certainly hasn't gone away.

Perhaps the entertainment industry is simply a preferred arena for predators, because they figure they are less likely to find such a large percentage of potential prey who are desperate to find a foothold in most other career streams.


It's in EVERY industry. My boss that used to ask if I wanted massages was in the printing industry. Some of my friends who experienced it worked in nursing, care homes, restaurants. We've seen many stories about sexual assault and harrassement in the RCMP. It goes on and on. This is a daily experience in women's lives and is not relegated to the entertainment industry.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby rustled » Oct 11th, 2017, 11:28 am

JLives wrote:
rustled wrote:The "casting couch" mentality certainly hasn't gone away.

Perhaps the entertainment industry is simply a preferred arena for predators, because they figure they are less likely to find such a large percentage of potential prey who are desperate to find a foothold in most other career streams.


It's in EVERY industry. My boss that used to ask if I wanted massages was in the printing industry. Some of my friends who experienced it worked in nursing, care homes, restaurants. We've seen many stories about sexual assault and harrassement in the RCMP. It goes on and on. This is a daily experience in women's lives and is not relegated to the entertainment industry.

Indeed.

However, my comment was not that it is relegated to the entertainment industry.

My comment was in regard to it seeming more prevalent in the entertainment industry.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Oct 11th, 2017, 12:03 pm

Apparently not, JLives has convinced me. IT is possible that the transgressions in the entertainment industry come to light because a few women eventually get powerful enough to risk exposing the perps. In other fields, like nursing, RCMP, military,etc, women tend to stay in the lower eschelons, and can't risk their careers.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby JLives » Oct 11th, 2017, 12:59 pm

When I tried to look up stats by industry the whole first page was regarding an epidemic in the tech industry. http://www.businessinsider.com/sexual-h ... try-2017-7

I think we just hear about it more because there's famous people in the entertainment industry.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Poindexter » Oct 11th, 2017, 1:51 pm

JLives wrote:It's in EVERY industry. My boss that used to ask if I wanted massages was in the printing industry. Some of my friends who experienced it worked in nursing, care homes, restaurants. We've seen many stories about sexual assault and harrassement in the RCMP. It goes on and on. This is a daily experience in women's lives and is not relegated to the entertainment industry.


Sadly that is the case, you'd have thought it would have gone by the wayside like smoking at your desk but I still see it happening with guys who do it unapologetically.

Last week I walked into an auto dealership, fancy place, looked more like a hotel lobby yet the behavior was something you'd expect on a gravel lot. A salesman had parked himself in the much younger receptionist's chair and wouldn't leave until she gave him a massage. I'm waiting there at the desk and as he's looking at me with a smirk he says, "cmon, just a quick massage", as though I'm going to play along. I just looked at her and could see the frustration and looked back at him and said, "you done?"
Then this weekend I saw it with a kilt wearing bartender who took full advantage of his lofty position by groping the waitresses every chance he got.

So while some say feminists have gone too far, when you see and hear what still goes on to this day, you begin to realize that the fact is they haven't gone far enough.

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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Gilchy » Oct 11th, 2017, 3:41 pm

It's not just at workplaces. My wife was pushing our little one in a stroller, and a car slowed down beside her so the driver could politely offer to "put another one of those in you". Or another guy at a restaurant offered to generously pay her to sit in his lap. Or the guy working at an establishment who came right in her space to scan her up and down, to state that he liked "her necklace".

It is amazing, as a guy, how you [myself included] can live in a bubble, and not get how unendingly degrading and dehumanizing this would be.

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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Oct 12th, 2017, 8:03 am

The movie industry has been anti-feminist since its inception. No wonder than women get angry and frustrated at the state of affairs.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby rustled » Oct 12th, 2017, 9:14 am

Silverstarqueen wrote:Apparently not, JLives has convinced me. IT is possible that the transgressions in the entertainment industry come to light because a few women eventually get powerful enough to risk exposing the perps. In other fields, like nursing, RCMP, military,etc, women tend to stay in the lower eschelons, and can't risk their careers.

Ah. I thought we were looking at the final result in the entertainment industry.

I would hope Poindexter isn't witnessing what Ghomeshi, Cosby and Weinstein have been accused of! That said, like any form of abuse there's a continuum of escalation, and what's acceptable in the open is often what determines what happens at the extreme end.

I'd still think there may be more of the extreme end in the entertainment industry given how predators may view the "field", but perhaps not. Carry on...
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Oct 12th, 2017, 10:20 am

Oh the guys that pull these stunts definitely know how to play the game so that it is very difficult to prosecute. You can tell from the Weinstein recording (and Ghomeshi's and Crosby's behavior.) that they are very aware of how the public perceives their predatory behavior, and how to isolate a woman so that she is going to have a very hard time getting evidence to convict. They know exactly how the law works, how the police operate, and how to protect themselves from prosecution, and still get away with sexual assault. The women meanwhile are trying to figure out how not to create a scene in public, or how to conduct a career around these pariahs.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Glacier » Nov 10th, 2017, 2:34 pm

Too far/out of control?

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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Nov 12th, 2017, 6:40 pm

Wimmin are finally getting it together to fight the cesspool in an attempt to combat the problem.
I wonder how many of those very angry feminists (who are so frequently trashed and criticized), are so angry because of the mistreatment and assaults they have suffered ? Those women who have a more secure position of power are the only ones to lead the fight, since so many other women just can't afford to risk their livelihood to come forward.

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