The feminist movement is getting out of control.

[Silverstarqueen]

It just doesn't matter. If the sky is blue, if you want and need it to be red then thats what they will say.
Pretty much sums up Feminism. They are only capable of seeing red. Nothing else matters. Only use stat's that fit, only being open and accepting of what they want to hear. Its called 3rd wave.

Fascinating comment. If only I understood what you were saying, but I think it's a statement worth preserving for posterity.

[liisgo]

I do not know why im wasting my time but here goes.

let’s look at the numbers:

Men cause 6.1 million accidents per year and women cause 4.4 million per year (National Highway Safety Administration)
105.7 million women and 104.3 million men have drivers licenses (University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute)
On average, men drive 16,550 miles and women drive 10,142 miles per year ( Federal Highway Administration)
So men account for roughly 1.73^12 miles driven per year, while women drive a combined total of 1.07^12 miles per year.

That means men drive about 30 percent more miles than women. Yet, they’re implicated in slightly less than 30 percent of car accidents. Men do cause more accidents, but they are actually less at-risk than women, by a small margin.

[zoo]

Seems more and more women are no longer agreeing with Feminists. What it has turned out to be.
question now is how can we move forward or can we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lK-SdaQL3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR-4Dwz0f6o

[Silverstarqueen]

Women don't all think exactly the same way, they have differing opinions on all kinds of issues, just as men do. The majority however do agree that women should have equal rights as men, equal pay for equal work,able to work without harassment or assault, and access to decent health care when they need it. We are moving forward, more women (and men) are getting access to more different kinds of work than ever before, even if progress is a bit slow, or sometimes two steps forward and one step back. Look at the recent progress in the MeToo movement which most people never would have guessed could happen so quickly, okay, so it's been a long long time coming. But a few recent assault court cases have gone a little better than they would have ten years ago.
Change is slow, but as the younger generation comes up, I think they will have it a little better than mine.

[liisgo]

Women don't all think exactly the same way, they have differing opinions on all kinds of issues, just as men do. It doesn't appear that the majority of women just have different opinions, its more clear that they are no longer calling themselves feminists because not of those opinions that differ rather than the obvious hypocrisy of it. The majority however do agree that women should have equal rights as men,And men should have equal rights as women, which we do not in this western culture. equal pay for equal work,They do and in many fields women get paid more than men but not a single women has ever complained or stood against that hypocrisy. And have you not continually heard the new stat's that show women are getting paid more than men now in the earlier part of their careers, all fine with that though. . able to work without harassment or assault,So should men, this is a two sided issue, just because society is not capable of acknowledging that its not just women being harassed, interesting how many times lately political accusers of harassment are now having claims brought against them. and access to decent health care when they need it. And Men? We would like the same funding, the same amount of gender only services and hospitals. We are moving forward, more women Whats taking so long, are personnel choices now getting blamed on male patriarchy still?(and men) are getting access to more different kinds of work than ever before, Complete nonsense, women have and always have had access to anything they want to be. Why is it that some women have filled these roles 40 years ago but others cant or dont? If even one women made it say as an "astronaut" then shouldn't anyone else have been able? Or did those great achievers get a special card to achieve what you say is slow? Did they get special treatment? even if progress is a bit slow, So if some women have proven you wrong then whats controlling the "slow" part of your reasoning? or sometimes two steps forward and one step back. Look at the recent progress in the MeToo movement which most people never would have guessed could happen so quickly, okay, so it's been a long long time coming. But a few recent assault court cases have gone a little better than they would have ten years ago.Why did all those actresses take so long to complain? Should they not have stood up and protected others. Could they not have walked away from that environment or at least from that person or persons with in that environment? Better judgement? Was it an enviorment that supplied something they wanted, money, power, attention, fame? Harassment is wrong for everyone, and it is just as common both ways.
Change is slow, but as the younger generation comes up, I think they will have it a little better than mine.

Your generation has had the opportunity to be, do anything you want. As seen by many successful achieving women over the years the only thing holding you back was choice. The only thing holding back the next generation is the same as the previous ones,,,personnel choice.
Men do not argue the wrongs within our society, they are not saying things do not happen that do.
Men are tired of hearing for the last 50 years or so that they are to blame as a mass for all bad and all holding women back. We do not need to teach our boys to be different anymore than we need to teach our girls to be different. Men are tired of rules that ban them from sitting beside children on airplanes, and that they need to sit down to go pee. How we sit on buses?
Most women are now fighting back against western society and the plague that feminism has brought upon us. The very concept of feminism to be equal is fought every single moment by feminists wanting special privileged, allowances, recognition, fame, attention, treatment, services, etc. Or do some still need an excuse, someone or something to blame. You want to be a CEO of a major corp.? Then build one, how do you think they were achieved in the first place. An idea, hard work, taking a chance, working countless hours, fighting for it. Most corporations, ideas, products services have all been orchestrated, developed, built by men, They are CEO's of the corporations they built, but we argue that more men are CEO's than women? That its a conspiracy. build your own Corporation and hiring only women then.
Pretty sad when you live in a society that offers you everything you need to be what ever you want and so many choose not to use it but rather be victims of excuses. women from every part of the world can only dream to have the opportunity to prove you so wrong.
Equality started yesterday, if it hasn't its because of your own slow advancement to participate in it.

[Silverstarqueen]

The road to equality for women has not historically gone as it has for men, not by a long shot. So to say that today, women should be able to accomplish all things with much the same ease as men, makes very little sense. First U.s male went in to space around 1961, first female twenty years later. What took so long? First female commander of the space station 2008.

Faced with a whole new breed of astronauts.

Women Not In Space
In 1959, 32 military test pilots went through some of the most rigorous physical testing ever devised at the Lovelace clinic in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The men were probed, prodded, inspected inside and out until not a body single secret was kept from the physicians. Seven of the men went on to pass similarly rigorous psychological screening and emerged as NASA’s first class of astronauts.

The following year, the clinic’s founder, Dr. Randy Lovelace, along with USAF Brigadier General Donald Flickinger invited pilot Geraldine “Jerrie” Cobb to go through the same testing. The men were curious to see how women would fare. On average, women are smaller, lighter, and consume fewer resources than men, making them potentially better suited to flying in the cramped spacecraft of the 1960s. Cobb passed the tests, and by the end of the summer of 1961, another 18 female pilots had submitted to the same rigorous testing as the Mercury astronauts. The only difference was the addition of a gynecological exam.
Thirteen women ultimately passed, proving themselves as ready for spaceflight as any of the Mercury astronauts. They actually had a higher success rate than the men; only 18 of the 32 male candidates passed the physical testing, a 56 percent success rate compared to 68 percent for the women.
NASA
But however physically fit, there was some question over women’s suitability to spaceflight. In a 1964 report published after the short-lived women’s program was terminated, the question was raised whether a menstrual cycle would affect a woman’s ability to work in space. The authors point specifically to the “intricacies of matching a temperamental psychophysiologic [read: PMS-ing] human and the complicated machine [i.e. spacecraft]." The difficulties, they said, "are many and, obviously, both need to be ready at the same time [read: the woman would have to time a flight to her cycle].” The implication is clear: a menstruating or hormonal woman just wouldn't be able to handle herself in the challenging environment of spaceflight.

But it was probably fine, the report concluded, because “it seems doubtful that women will be in demand for space roles in the very near future.” Besides, for the moment in the mid-1960s, NASA wasn't open to women. The requirements for astronauts stipulated that they be military test pilots, and this excluded women across the board. No amount of campaigning would change the agency’s ruling during the Space Race.

The rules governing astronaut candidacy changed in the post-Apollo era. The agency began breaking its astronauts into two categories: pilots and mission specialists. At the same time it also opened applications to a wider swath of the population. The astronaut class of 1978 brought 35 new members into the fold. Three were African American men, one was an Asian American man, and six were women."

So we can pretend that women have had equal opportunities in traditionally male dominated occupations, and have today equal opportunities, but in reality they still don't. There is a slow change/improvement, which will probably continue.

[zoo]

"Equality started yesterday, if it hasn't its because of your own slow advancement to participate in it."

awsome, that last line.
I think everyone should move away from this forum, its going to take years to get over the feminist's brainwashing of our society ,but allowing it to continue like on this forum is a waste of everyone's time and energy.

[Silverstarqueen]

"Ever wonder how many female CEOs there are in Canada? Even though women make up just over half the Canadian population and nearly 48 per cent of the workforce, men still dominate the top tiers of business and government. According to Catalyst.org, only seven of the 249 companies listed on the main index of the Toronto Stock Exchange in September 2017 were run by women . However, women are slowly but steadily breaking through the glass ceiling and while few head up large corporations in Canada, a growing number are CEOs of smaller companies – often companies that they started too – as well as NGOs. "

Now if all things were equal for males and females, even if you didn't expect a perfect 50/50 of male to female CEO's, it would be a little better than 7/249 on the main index of the TSE. so something is happening, culturally, educationally, financially perhaps in family support, to skew this so far against women. So this is not equality by any stretch of the imagination. Obviously only a small percentage of men who think they are going to be CEO's make it to their goal, but the percentage of women who might end up with even roughly similar results is very very different from the guys.

U.s. and Europe are doing a little better, but not by much: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/25/female- ... urope.html

What's going on in business schools where supposedly the future female CEO's would be incubating, if there is to be any progress in women's future in those careers? How about Harvard? (finally got their first female president, not equality since that's one female president vs. godonlyknows how many male, but it's a start). How's it going for women in business programs there? http://www.businessinsider.com/harvard- ... ity-2013-9

So how can we say there's equality for women, when clearly, their progress is still in it's infancy. Not surprising really, men have all their old boy's clubs and networking established for a hundred years, women are just beginning to get their act together, maybe about 30- 50 years behind as far as numbers and opportunities.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016 ... ty-at-hbs/

[sobrohusfat]

... something is happening - to skew this so far against women...

Been free to scrap your way through the muck out there like everybody else for quite some time now.

...but then, it does seem the game always first needs to be eased-up somehow for women to participate - am i wrong.

[Silverstarqueen]

... something is happening - to skew this so far against women...

Been free to scrap your way through the muck out there like everybody else for quite some time now.

...but then, it does seem the game always first needs to be eased-up somehow for women to participate - am i wrong.

Then why do we have comments like this from liisgo, haven't men been just as free to scrap their way through the muck out there like "everyone else" for some time now? Apparently some are not getting a fair shake at some rights or opportunities. In some cases it seems men are not getting a fair shake, in some it seems women are not.So either we are in favor of equality, or not. But it's clear we are not there yet.
liisgo wrote:
",And men should have equal rights as women, which we do not in this western culture. equal pay for equal work,They do and in many fields women get paid more than men but not a single women has ever complained or stood against that hypocrisy. And have you not continually heard the new stat's that show women are getting paid more than men now in the earlier part of their careers, all fine with that though. . able to work without harassment or assault,So should men, this is a two sided issue, just because society is not capable of acknowledging that its not just women being harassed, interesting how many times lately political accusers of harassment are now having claims brought against them. and access to decent health care when they need it. And Men? We would like the same funding, the same amount of gender only services and hospitals"

[zoo]

[quote=[/quote]

Then why do we have comments like this from liisgo, (those comments are not from Liisgo" haven't men been just as free to scrap their way through the muck out there like "everyone else" for some time now? Apparently some are not getting a fair shake at some rights or opportunities. In some cases it seems men are not getting a fair shake, in some it seems women are not.So either we are in favor of equality, or not. But it's clear we are not there yet.
liisgo wrote:
",And men should have equal rights as women, which we do not in this western culture. equal pay for equal work,They do and in many fields women get paid more than men but not a single women has ever complained or stood against that hypocrisy. And have you not continually heard the new stat's that show women are getting paid more than men now in the earlier part of their careers, all fine with that though. . able to work without harassment or assault,So should men, this is a two sided issue, just because society is not capable of acknowledging that its not just women being harassed, interesting how many times lately political accusers of harassment are now having claims brought against them. and access to decent health care when they need it. And Men? We would like the same funding, the same amount of gender only services and hospitals"[/quote]

I think your missing the point of those post's. They are all clearly pointing out that women have had any opportunity they wanting to choose the last 50 years. That western women have a lot of privilege as well over men that women fail to acknowledge. A lot of those have been pointed out. For feminist to continually blame Everything on men at this stage of society is a joke. Millions of women have achieved anything they have dreamed of being. By the same means of men. Hard work, endless hours, competition. They deserve the credit for doing that. And it should not be by quota's rather by equal involvement by numbers and competitiveness.
As for CEO's and government, after 99% of those major corperations are developed, built, ran by men, feminists fight that its not fair. Feminist should not support any of those services, products produced until 50% of CEO's are women. Oh wait!!!

Please watch this video again to get an answer to your struggles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSrX2FJ-Q8

I do not see men here on the forum fighting against women, they are challenging feminist on the "very old" complaining that it is always men holding you back from your own actions. There is a big difference. I think the gig is up.

"When push comes to shove" you want to be a CEO, then get out there in bigger numbers, Want to be in government then get out there in the numbers.

[rustled]

I think your missing the point of those post's. They are all clearly pointing out that women have had any opportunity they wanting to choose the last 50 years. That western women have a lot of privilege as well over men that women fail to acknowledge. A lot of those have been pointed out. For feminist to continually blame Everything on men at this stage of society is a joke. Millions of women have achieved anything they have dreamed of being. By the same means of men. Hard work, endless hours, competition. They deserve the credit for doing that. And it should not be by quota's rather by equal involvement by numbers and competitiveness.
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I do not see men here on the forum fighting against women, they are challenging feminist on the "very old" complaining that it is always men holding you back from your own actions. There is a big difference. I think the gig is up.

"When push comes to shove" you want to be a CEO, then get out there in bigger numbers, Want to be in government then get out there in the numbers.

The real changeover was more recent than 50 years. For example, during the 1970s the "equal opportunity" legislation ended the era of broadcast corporations catering to the reality that their news anchors had to be men to retain viewers. Once women were anchoring on all the networks, that nonsense ended.

Women's willingness to challenge stereotypes became huge during that time. In the mid-70s, those women who wished to do so gave up the safety of the bunny bus in heels and hose to the mining office for half the pay, and faced the backlash on the regular bus in steel toes and hardhat to set blasting caps in -40 for a better wage. And yes, Virginia, the women who worked in those mines, driving truck or excavating equipment or setting those caps, received precisely what the men were paid for doing the same work. They faced down some pretty ugly backlash, but they stood firm. Within a few years, people quit pretending women couldn't pump gas or read the news or do regular work in mining and other formerly "male-only" fields. Today, those are male-dominated fields it's because women choose not to participate, not because they're refused entry or harassed out of it. Genuine harassment, the kind women faced in the latter part of the last century, is an offence under the law, and it's one employers guard against.

In the 1980s, a woman joined the logging crew my husband was on. They got paid not by the hour but by production. I asked how the men felt about it, and was told "as long as she doesn't slow down production, who cares?" She had the physical strength and stamina to keep up. Today, with more machinery doing the grunt work in the logging industry, more women would be able to participate if they choose.

It surprises me how the achievements of women who fought for equality of opportunity are now being trampled by those who do not want equality of opportunity, regardless of sex. To be treated the same way any other applicant would be treated, based on their ability to get the job done. Today, it's all about getting treated differently. These people call themselves feminists.

The original feminists were all about being strong enough to stand on their own, with sex not factoring in at all. Today's feminists are all about the concessions required to bring about equality of outcome, because they believe women are not strong enough to stand on their own, with sex not factoring in at all.

Today's feminists seem, to me, to believe pretty much the same things the patronizing patriarchs of the past believed about women: that we need special treatment. I disagree.

As zoo says: it's about our choices. We choose. We own our choices. No one stops us, and no one should pander to us. That's equality.

[Silverstarqueen]

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[Jack DeBear]

"Equality started yesterday, if it hasn't its because of your own slow advancement to participate in it."

awsome, that last line.
I think everyone should move away from this forum, its going to take years to get over the feminist's brainwashing of our society ,but allowing it to continue like on this forum is a waste of everyone's time and energy.

Jordan Greenhall

(From the video below, which was originally posted elsewhere by Glacier , as linked)

. . . people are moving further and further away from what thinking actually is and more and more into merely running a script . . . ,” (1:56).

So I see where a few of the ‘feminist facilitators’ (not moderators) on this thread, as well as some of the other old-timers on other topics around this forum appear to be constantly selecting their posts from what seems to me like a personal jukebox full of the same old songs.

Also, there are other significant theories and thoughts in the video below on the state of where we are today—particularly concerning the state of feminism—amidst a wealth of content that I suspect some people here will never discover and take into account due to what may be an eagerness towards ‘dropping a dime and selecting their favourite tune’ instead of spending the time on attempting to process what’s actually contained in the incoming flow—sometimes I’m guilty of that myself .

For instance, from the video, one personal and perhaps paradigm-shifting thought that came my way is how my university experience may have included a 'strong element of subversion to my masculinity.’ A concept that I think may be worth some self-study now.

Anyway, here’s the video’s wrap-up—the solicitation section appears at the end:

50:19 What advice would you give to people to navigate this new world?

The first is to free your mind: be aware of the fact that the habits of ‘the blue church’ (defined earlier in the video), and how it works, don’t work anymore. Recognise that your way(s) of making sense in the world that used to work, don’t work, and you really, really need to set yourself free to begin learning anew. Child’s mind. Beginner’s mind.

Second, this, by nature must be exploratory. So swim. Do not ‘make sense’ prematurely. In spite of the fact that the world seems dangerous—in spite of the fact that you may want to protect yourself in this dangerous world, doing so too quickly did not allow the natural exploratory approach to do what it needs to do. Really just listen. And learn—and go all the way back down to human base. Turn inwards. Learn how fear shows up in you. Learn not to allow fear to drive the choices you make. Learn how to listen to the 'whole' way that all of you perceives what’s going on. Become more integrated with your own body. Go out into nature. Spend a lot of time not connected to the chaos that’s going on, and a lot of time re-connecting yourself up to your fundamental capacity to perceive reality in all the different modalities that human beings have the capacity to do.

Then re-learn how to use other human beings as allies in figuring out how to make sense of the world. I mean that: really re-learn. We have been abused and constrained by institutional frameworks that remove us from our own native capabilities. So re-learn that. Understand how to be a friend and an ally—how to have a conversation with somebody where you really listen closely to get a sense of what their perspective brings to you—where you’re not obligated to agree with them—not obligated to move out of what you feel is right to form some new consensus reality, but where you’re actually authentically recognising that their perspective has some capacity to bring richness to your perspective. This, by the way, is almost exclusively possible in-person . . .. And get yourself into places where your consensus reality and your habits are willfully destroyed. Get into human to human conversations and get a sense as far away from ideology as you can. Your job is not to know what the f is going on. Your job is to be absolutely certain that you have no idea of what the f is going on, and learn how to feel from raw chaos, from raw uncertainty up.

Then and only then are you finally able to begin the journey of beginning to form a collective intelligence in this new environment.

That’s my advice.

Jordan Greenhall

http://forums.castanet.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2333393

So, (if you haven't already watched it) for the possibility of experiencing something self-enriching, please take the time . . ..

(Backup video URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trhTbEs2GGE)

[Silverstarqueen]

So women who claim they are being deterred from some occupations by harassment are just liars? Or they should just accept it and carry on like "one of the guys".
http://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/rcm ... -1.4510891


We've heard of harassment of female firefighters, soldiers, and still some are claiming it's not happening, or if it is, it doesn't matter.
If they put up with the abuse for years and attempt to plough on, determined to somehow make their carreer, then people say,(if they even believe them, a big IF), why didn't they say something years ago or, they just used their sexuality to get where they were headed. If they drop out of their career path, they asking for special consideration, it was their choice.