The feminist movement is getting out of control.

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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 31st, 2018, 12:32 pm

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There hasn't been the Draft (i.e. forced military service) since 1973 (in the U.s.). Military service has been voluntary since then. If guys (or gals) don't want to serve, they don't have to.[/quote]

Oh how feminists are so pathetic. The usual hypocritical response.
One cannot admit that this is one of the most obvious forms of gender discrimination that exists and millions of women have absolutely no problem with it. Actually supporting such discrimination against one gender, because your fine with it.
Every single man in the USA has to sign the release form of selective service before being allowed many basic, human, rights. Like to have a drivers license. And feminists response is, the above.
Feminists should stand up for equal rights for ALL, not just what benefits you when you chose.
If a world war ever happens again and the draft is implemented it should be mandatory that only young women are used for it.
Feminists now a days are the epitome of self righteous, privileged, arrogance of society today.
Your "gig" is up.[/quote]

Neither men, nor women, have been required to serve in the military for 45 years( in the U.S., In Canada, there has been no Draft for nearly 100 years).
Of course, if there ever is a draft it should apply to all equally regardless of gender, and most feminists would agree.
Since there hasn't been a draft for 45 years, we can only guess if it ever would be applied equally. Given that it's mainly male politicians and military who make that decision, you can hardly blame feminists for that.
You think it should only be mandatory for young women, which shows you are not in favor of equal treatment after all.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby zoo » Jan 2nd, 2019, 5:10 pm

You just do not get it.
Below is an actual quote. law, from the USA regarding this issue. I have switched the gender words for you to understand. Please image just for one second what would happen within the first day, if this change was actually in place. Image the up roar, demonstrations, talk show *bleep*, all out war on it. In a day and time when everything is to be equal, meaning there should be at the very least no laws or inequalities on paper that treats any of the sexes different. But there is. And the only thing feminists can say back is, "well, there hasnt been a draft in years". So read away and try to find a rebuttal as why it would be allowed in this day ,if it were backwards.
Virtually all FEmale U.S. citizens, regardless of where they live, and FEmale immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, residing in the United States, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. The law says FEmales must register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday.
What Happens If You Don't Register for Selective Service. If you are required to register and you don't, you will not be eligible for federal student aid, federal job training, or a federal job. You may be prosecuted and face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or jail time of up to five years.Sep 27, 2018
Enjoy your priviledge to what has to be the most obvious, documented, real, and only law that is in place that so blatantly discriminates against men in society.
Now watch how this women responds to the very same question about it. She is fine with how the system is right now, She needs to wonder if we need to go where this military officers are recommending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UflGUYWasPQ
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 4th, 2019, 7:32 am

I don't think you actually read my post at all, judging by your comment "Feminists should stand up for equal rights for ALL, not just what benefits you when you chose". because that's what I said. Feminists, or any males, can be in favor of equal rights, and still may or may not be keen on serving in the military. Many men try to wiggle out of military service, I am sure many women might do so also IF it was mandatory. Which it isn't.

The law (which incidentally was established by mostly MALE lawmakers and military) should be changed so that women can sign up to a registry too. Do you think women would be whining about signing a registry? A registry which does NOT force anyone to serve in the military? Boohoo. Men and women who actually sign up for the military are risking their lives to serve their country, and are proud to do it, while other men cry about signing a registry for a non-existent draft. ONly in America could it be considered horrible to sign a registry that has never forced anyone to serve in the military. (not to mention an imaginary bone spur can get you out of actual duty, if needed. Other provisions are made for conscientious objectors, sounds like you are one).

We brave Canadians, men and women, sign up for basic rights like health care, pensions, unemployment insurance, drivers' license etc. every day. Never hurt us one bit. because we are NOT signing up to serve in the military.

Or if you really really cannot stand to sign up for a non-existent draft,and don't have imaginary bone spurs, you could become a Canadian. I knew quite a few ex-americans who did that during the Vietnam war. But you will still have to sign up to get a driver's license, pensions, health care etc. And you still could hypothetically be drafted, whether you are male or female, if Canada declared war at some point in the future.

Women did not create this registry law and yet you seem to want to blame them for its existence.
Women would sign up just as happily as anyone one else, so what is the big problem?
No one, no one, has been forced into the Military,for 45 years in the U.s. and for a hundred years in Canada. You know the part where you actually have to serve and risk your life.
Men, or women, who don't support the Registry law should protest to their lawmakers. Have you written your representative? I have not heard of many public protests by men or women about this law. I personally cannot do anything about it, because I am Canadian, but I don't personally support a law that discriminates based on gender.

And there is a 75% chance applicants won't qualify to pass basic requirements for military anyway.
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-youth-inel ... ce-3322428
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby liisgo » Jan 4th, 2019, 9:30 am

You really need to review your history,, use wikipedia. and you are wrong, when you say,"A registry which does NOT force anyone to serve in the military? It has.

But something more concerning is that you cannot answer someones basic question. If this law was reversed, and had always been that way, do you think it would still be in place? Do not try to shame, blame it on men and the law makers, etc.
Just give it an educated try without the tricks.

And yes, women would whine like crazy and just the talk about making this law mandatory for both sexes has continually been left only for men, because of the women whining. The power they hold and the protection they still have in society.

There is a law, speaking here about, that force 1 gender to different standards, conditions, expectations.

It doesn't matter one bit if the last time it was used was 45 years ago. Get it, its about discrimination, again obviously OK for millions and millions of women who enjoy the freedom of not being included in it. OK to teach men that they are expected to die for the others if needed.
The more I re-read the last post the more sickened I am.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 4th, 2019, 10:57 am

I said I am in favor of laws which apply equally to both genders. Apparently that is not good enough.
Men made the laws, it's a fact, not blaming it on anyone in particular, except those who made the law and haven't changed it in the meantime.
Maybe Trump will be the guy who changes it, who knows. It would be one useful thing he might accomplish. There are gradually getting to be more feminists as representatives now, so there is hope things can change. Without a president who supports a particular change, it doesn't seem to happen with the current system, but I think Trump would be more likely than most to support it since he isn't very big on military service himself. Hey, some of my best friends were draft dodgers, so I have great sympathy for those who do. It was the only way at the time to avoid serving (other than imaginary bone spurs), so I am in favor of voluntary service, until the law changes, and thank goodness we (and the U.s) have that now. I don't think it kills anyone to sign up with the current non existent draft.
It's not like equal treatment in this registry has not been kicked around amongst lawmakers and the courts. But for some reason no decisive action has been taken.

"In July 2016, the National Organization for Women issued a statement calling the expansion of draft registration to women a step toward equality, and co-signed a letter to the House-Senate conference committee, along with the ACLU and other organizations, in support of extending the current Selective Service registration requirement to women in the name of "equality" rather than feminism. "The undersigned organizations urge you to retain the Senate language (Section 591) requiring women to register for the draft."
Hiliary Clinton aggreed with this position, but wasn't elected, so there goes that opportunity.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/hil ... 2363551960

June 2016: "The Senate voted 85 to 13 on Tuesday to pass the National Defense Authorization Act, which included the provision requiring women between the ages of 18 and 25 to sign up to serve their country. As HuffPost's Jennifer Bendery noted, it was a rare demonstration of bipartisan support for such a culturally significant milestone."
So someone didn't support this, who? That's who you want to blame, not the feminists.

Some courts seem to support equal treatment under the law for Selective Service, so there ya go.
https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-al ... nly-draft/

Many people believe it's only a matter of time before women and men are treated equally in this respect. It is simply a matter of old laws die hard. Change in attitudes is happening, you can't blame feminists that it isn't happening fast enough, blame those who oppose the change.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby liisgo » Jan 5th, 2019, 9:15 am

So there is no need for "men made the laws", Men control changing the laws, comments then.
It is men that have designed, built, imagined, invented almost every product, corporation etc on this globe as well so should this be stated every time the complaint is out there about, in equality of the sexes at a CEO level?
A men dreamed of, invented and built the Titanic, when it sunk, was it because this that women were first off and their lives we deemed more important? Obviously not. Its because of their protected status they have in this country. So blaming men for the reason women have never been drafted and kill by the millions, or need to sign up for selected service is pretty, stupid.
You strongly believe that all women should be forced under law to sign selective service, and if they refuse they should have all those same social privilege dis-allowed and fined with possible jail time. As is. That is a big step.
Clinton did not support it,then she did, she waffles on the subject every time she is asked. She did not support it when her own daughters were at that age. Watch above posted video again.

Now the big one, There is only 1 reason why this law, this absolute gender discrimination law, requirement, has not been changed. Its nothing more than the fact that in western society, women are still a protected gender. The groups that fall under this gender have far to much power for a politician of the day to be the one to change this law. Now that it is coming to light that your daughters might to be included in this discriminated law, to avoid it, the push is on to eliminate it. Easy out. Nothing about it until the time is near. They fear the outcome of such a move. It would probably mean the end of your career. Meaning, it is the power, control and privilege in western world that is keeping it from happening. Unless you have another reason? And please, do not blame men, the majority of us want full equality.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Mordu » Jan 5th, 2019, 10:44 am

This is a sensible article on this, but it’ll probably pass through here like a fart in a windstorm, as they usually do when the ‘ideology possessed’ takes on the role of the thread facilitator.

“Feminists weigh in on draft registration for women

Jun 28, 2016”

http://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/ ... tion-women

(For a reference to ideology possession please see timecode, 28:40 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78380&p=2431837#p2431837)
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 5th, 2019, 3:21 pm

It seems certain select Republicans have blocked efforts to gain equality for women wrt the Registry for Selective Service, (or abolish it altogether). That could change now that democrats are getting more control.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-n ... 10314.html
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Mordu » Jan 5th, 2019, 9:06 pm

Fact Check

Do Women Have to Register for the Draft? No. But Misinformation Spreads.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/po ... draft.html

. . . However, the viral spread of a 10-month-old New York Times story has potentially given millions of internet users misleading impressions to the contrary. Following the web traffic and social media commentary around the article illustrates how a hot-button cultural issue can be taken out of context and amplified by hyperpartisan bubbles, inflaming passions and spreading misinformation.

. . .

In a way, the ideological confusion online channels the passion that brought the issue under congressional consideration in the first place.

. . .

Multiple studies have shown that most news consumers seldom read entire articles. For many, in this new and continuously expanding information landscape, a glance is enough to confirm existing biases and emotions.

“They think they know what it’s about, based on the headline,” Mr. Adams said. “Fear can drive people to share quickly and not think as much or be as critical. That’s where it gets its virality.”
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jan 9th, 2019, 2:25 pm

Justin Trudeau is a peanut-chucking snollygoster snowflake. But he has nice dimples. Remember, the hypocrisy of the Left knows no bounds.

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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Mordu » Jan 9th, 2019, 4:19 pm

That video should be rated 'not suitable' for those who are, “possessed by (the) ideology.” (timecode 28:40 viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78380&p=2431837#p2431837 ). Get ready to 'duck and cover.'
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 14th, 2019, 9:34 am

We all know instinctively that men have been in charge of all the most important aspects and inventions of our civilization for centuries, right? Maybe not so much.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/women-making-beer?
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Fancy » Jan 14th, 2019, 10:11 am

That would be the first known recipe - beer dates back a lot longer.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby liisgo » Jan 14th, 2019, 8:21 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:We all know instinctively that men have been in charge of all the most important aspects and inventions of our civilization for centuries,

Yes 100% correct, most inventions, corporations, products were and have been, dreamed of, invented, developed by man. Most, not all, but you are correct, most.
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Re: The feminist movement is getting out of control.

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 14th, 2019, 10:43 pm

Such as in medicine for instance, because women weren't doctors much until just recently right? they didn't have the education or the smarts according to popular theory.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/1843228
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