Should bouncers confiscate ID being used fraudulently?

[Wave101]

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--11-.htm

I am surprised the results of this poll are so polarized. I would like to hear some arguments why people think bouncers should not confiscate fake ID? I mean seriously, what is the person with the fake ID going to do? Are they going to call the police and tell them someone stole their fake ID?

[GordonH]

imo fake id should be taken & handed over to police to deal with.

[looking4one]

IF.....the suspected ID was actually legitimate when confiscated, that person would not have a BC medical card in the event of an accident or admission to hospital, OR that could be the only source of ID for a body/disabled person.
Too much power to rest upon a bouncer's shoulders.

[OREZ]

I too, would not trust a bouncer to make that decision.

What qualifications do they have to take such a serious action? Are these people bonded?

What if they just decide they don't like someone and go ahead and ruin that person's weekend by taking their I.D.? What if they then lie about it and say they didn't?

I understand fake I.D. in clubs is a problem but there are lots of people who don't look anywhere near their age. My wife STILL get's I.D.ed and so obviously her daughter looks way younger than 19 too. From what I've heard, some fake I.D.s can be really well done. How would you like to hand over your perfectly legitimate I.D. to some bouncer every time you go out just because you look young? There's far too great a chance for an abuse of power there.

[GordonH]

IF.....the suspected ID was actually legitimate when confiscated, that person would not have a BC medical card in the event of an accident or admission to hospital, OR that could be the only source of ID for a body/disabled person.
Too much power to rest upon a bouncer's shoulders.

Thats why I posted having id handed over to police, maybe not all id has been renewed with BC Medical services.

[looking4one]

IF.....the suspected ID was actually legitimate when confiscated, that person would not have a BC medical card in the event of an accident or admission to hospital, OR that could be the only source of ID for a body/disabled person.
Too much power to rest upon a bouncer's shoulders.

Thats why I posted having id handed over to police, maybe not all id has been renewed with BC Medical services.

AND what do you do with the patron until the police arrive?

Send them on their way and hope they don't get hurt?

Detain them?

Let's face it, bouncers are not hired for their intellectual skills and have no right to make decisions that may negatively affect other human lives. They are peacekeepers and basic security ONLY. They are there to protect the business owners interests/liabilities. They are not the police and have no right to withhold other people's property, regardless of the legitimacy of that property. BCDLs and BC medical cards are the property of the issuing agent, they are the only ones that has the right of control.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

How would you like to hand over your perfectly legitimate I.D. to some bouncer every time you go out just because you look young? There's far too great a chance for an abuse of power there.

Agree. When I was in my 20's they always asked for my I.D. as I looked so young. When the time comes I hope they asked for my I.D. when I want seniors discount.

[looking4one]

Agree. When I was in my 20's they always asked for my I.D. as I looked so young. When the time comes I hope they asked for my I.D. when I want seniors discount.

I now hate those signs on the doors of liquor establishments that state: "Look under 50, we ID". I beg every time that they "card" me. I always leave feeling old and insulted.

[GordonH]

Thats why I posted having id handed over to police, maybe not all id has been renewed with BC Medical services.

AND what do you do with the patron until the police arrive?

Send them on their way and hope they don't get hurt?

Detain them?

Let's face it, bouncers are not hired for their intellectual skills and have no right to make decisions that may negatively affect other human lives. They are peacekeepers and basic security ONLY. They are there to protect the business owners interests/liabilities. They are not the police and have no right to withhold other people's property, regardless of the legitimacy of that property. BCDLs and BC medical cards are the property of the issuing agent, they are the only ones that has the right of control.

Those who know their ID is not fake will stick around to get it back, those who know ID is fake will bugger off.
If ID is fake then BC Medical is also fake & totally useless to be used for medical services the moment it is swiped.

[icanthearyou]

IF.....the suspected ID was actually legitimate when confiscated, that person would not have a BC medical card in the event of an accident or admission to hospital, OR that could be the only source of ID for a body/disabled person.
Too much power to rest upon a bouncer's shoulders.

That doesn't happen because digital Id scanners flag the fakes, which the staff proceed to confiscate

AND what do you do with the patron until the police arrive?

Send them on their way and hope they don't get hurt?

Detain them?

Let's face it, bouncers are not hired for their intellectual skills and have no right to make decisions that may negatively affect other human lives. They are peacekeepers and basic security ONLY. They are there to protect the business owners interests/liabilities. They are not the police and have no right to withhold other people's property, regardless of the legitimacy of that property. BCDLs and BC medical cards are the property of the issuing agent, they are the only ones that has the right of control.

If it's fake, it's just a piece of laminated paper with fake information on it.

Also, this ->

Chris Harbord with the Ministry of Small Business, Red Tape Reduction and Responsible for the Liquor Distribution Branch explained the current terms and conditions for liquor licencees state that establishments are encouraged, but not required, to retain identification that is clearly false and turn it over to the liquor inspector.

[looking4one]

Using "fake" ID is fraud and is punishable under the CCC.

What is "Obvious" in the fake ID world? Did they spell BC wrong?

[icanthearyou]

Using "fake" ID is fraud and is punishable under the CCC.

What is "Obvious" in the fake ID world? Did they spell BC wrong?

Let me help you with that question..

That doesn't happen because digital Id scanners flag the fakes, which the staff proceed to confiscate

[mexi cali]

OK. So all the good answers are taken so I will simply say "hell no". Thank you.

[looking4one]

That doesn't happen because digital Id scanners flag the fakes, which the staff proceed to confiscate

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Do ALL bars, restaurants, nightclubs, lounges have and use these scanners? IF so, why is there such an objection to being photographed at these places? AND can you provide a link to the LCB that states that bouncers have the right/obligation to confiscate these IDs and surrender them to the LCB officer?

[Dizzy1]

I now hate those signs on the doors of liquor establishments that state: "Look under 50, we ID". I beg every time that they "card" me. I always leave feeling old and insulted.

LOL, tell me about it. A certain burger restaurant/chain had a similar policy, "we ID under 35". Um, the legal drinking age in this Province is 19 - if you feel I'm under that age, first of all "thank you", second of all then card me. I'm a responsible adult and expect to be treated and respected in that manner. *bleep* me off to the point that I stopped going there - darn shame, they have good burgers.

As far as the bouncers go, they're not cops. They can refuse entry or discard one from the premises, but I believe that should be the limit of their authority.

Isn't that right Mr. Papageorgio?