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The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

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The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Glacier » Jul 4th, 2017, 7:00 pm

Penn State climate scientist, Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann commits contempt of court in the ‘climate science trial of the century.’ Prominent alarmist shockingly defies judge and refuses to surrender data for open court examination. Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S.

The defendant in the libel trial, the 79-year-old Canadian climatologist, Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions, including a ruling that Mann did act with criminal intent when using public funds to commit climate data fraud. Mann’s imminent defeat is set to send shock waves worldwide within the climate science community as the outcome will be both a legal and scientific vindication of U.S. President Donald Trump’s claims that climate scare stories are a “hoax.”


http://principia-scientific.org/breakin ... tick-mann/

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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Jlabute » Jul 4th, 2017, 10:47 pm

So Andrew Weaver is next.

With Michael Mann disgraced as a phoney, Weaver will be shown to have complicity in the fake data to control government policies.

“The second defamation lawsuit involves Andrew Weaver and is scheduled for court in October 2017. We are not sure what will happen as Weaver, who was a lead author for the computer model chapter of four IPCC Reports (1995, 2001, 2007, and 2013), became a politician. He ran for and was elected leader of the British Columbia Green Party and is a sitting member of the provincial legislature. We must continue to prepare for the trial, but it is the prevailing view in the court system that if a scientist becomes a politician their scientific objectivity is compromised – it is considered the bias of a ’noble cause’.”
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Rider59 » Jul 28th, 2017, 4:16 am

But the science is settled. LOL Just like we thought this was at one time.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3629045/you-d ... heres-why/

Science is always revising based on NEW data. Science based on flawed models and pure speculation is not settled science.

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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Vmax2006 » Aug 16th, 2017, 4:21 am

I see there are some real geniuses here. First off, I can tell none of the above posters have read a lick of science on the topic of global warming or the resulting, climate change.
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Ball has a PhD from the University of London (1982). According to the DeSmogBlog database on climate deniers,

Tim Ball was a professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. He is a prolific speaker and writer in the skeptical science community.

He has been Chairman to the now-defunct Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP), “Consultant” to the Exxon-funded Friends of Science (FoS), senior fellow at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP), and has connections to numerous other think tanks and right-wing organizations.

Tim Ball is member of Climate Exit (Clexit), a climate change denial group formed shortly after the UK’s decision to leave the EU. According to Clexit’s founding statement (PDF), “The world must abandon this suicidal Global Warming crusade. Man does not and cannot control the climate.”



Ball and the organizations he is affiliated with have repeatedly made the claim that he is the “first Canadian PhD in climatology.” Ball himself claimed he was “one of the first climatology PhD’s in the world.”

Many have pointed out that there have been numerous PhD’s in the field prior to Ball.

Ball was a former professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. The University of Winnipeg never had an office of Climatology. His degree was in historical geography and not climatology.
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I'll add that Ball is a founding member of PCI (Principia Scientific International) They wouldn't tell a lie for him, would they? lol

Read about PSI at desmog blog. It should be an eye opener as well as finding out Ball's cred's have been misrepresented by just about everyone that defends him.
https://www.desmogblog.com/principia-sc ... ernational
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Do I have to tell you guys that John O’Sullivan is not a lawyer? Maybe that is why he lies and gets most of the legal stuff wrong and interprets what is going on, wrong. He just isn't smart enough and seems to have a broken irony meter. But, there is this.
"O’Sullivan was successful in winning an acquittal when he was personally charged in England as a high school teacher accused of sending lewd text messages and assaulting a 16-year-old female. Given the acquittal, it would not generally be appropriate to bring up this sordid and unproven bit of history, except that O’Sullivan himself went on to write an “erotic” “novel” with a startlingly similar storyline: Vanilla Girl: a Fact-Based Crime Story of a Teacher’s Struggle to Control His Erotic Obsession with a Schoolgirl." Hat tip to Greg Laden @ scienceblogs.com
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2017/07/08/michael-man-did-not-sabotage-his-law-suit-but-deniers-are-sabotaging-the-planet/
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Within Greg's reality based page on Mann vs Ball, you will find this near the end. Mann's lawyer schooling the likes of you guys that swallow anything that supports your bias, whether it is correct or not.

Let’s begin right away with the data that is supposedly being held secret. They are HERE. They have always been there. Anytime anyone says “where’s the data, Michael Mann” just send them there, where the data are.
HERE = http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/

Regarding the rest of O’Sullivan’s claims as echoed by Starchild, this is a statement by Michael Mann’s attorney:


Contrary to the nonsensical allegations made by John O’Sullivan in his July 4 posted on climatechangedispatch.com and elsewhere, plaintiff Michael Mann has fully complied with all of his disclosure obligations to the defendant Tim Ball relating to data and other documents.

No judge has made any order or given any direction, however minor or inconsequential, that Michael Mann surrender any data or any documents to Tim Ball for any purpose.

Accordingly it should be plain and obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense that Mann could not possibly be in contempt of court.

Just to be clear: Mann is not defying any judge. He is not in breach of any judgment. He is not, repeat not, in contempt of court. He is not in breach of any discovery obligations to Ball.

In this context, O’Sullivan’s suggestion that Ball “is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions” against Mann is simply divorced from reality.

Finally, a word about the actual issues in the British Columbia lawsuit.
If O’Sullivan had read Ball’s statement of defence, he would immediately see that Ball does not intend to ask the BC Court to rule that Mann committed climate data fraud, or that Mann in fact did anything with criminal intent.
O’Sullivan would have noticed that one of Ball’s defences is that the words he spoke about Mann (which are the subject of Mann’s lawsuit) were said in “jest.”

The BC Court will not be asked to decide whether or not climate change is real.
So there is no chance whatsoever that any BC Court verdict about Mann’s libel claims against Ball will vindicate Donald Trump’s perspective on climate change.

Roger D. McConchie
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Yes the science is settled and if you knew anything about this topic you would know that the science that is being said to be settled is that the planet is warming up and man is the driver of the warming. Man's influence sticks out like a sore thumb so for it to be some other reason or natural, that alternative explanation must stick out like a sore thumb that is 100 times bigger than mans influence of GHG's.
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Wake up guys. There will be a test later that your kids will have to pass.

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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 16th, 2017, 1:36 pm

Vmax2006 wrote:----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ball has a PhD from the University of London (1982). According to the DeSmogBlog database on climate deniers,


How can you be a "climate denier"? This seems like a made up phrase, concocted by simpletons. The fact that a website actually tracks people who have the audacity to question fraudulent data about man-made climate change doesn't concern you? The politics seem ridiculous. Why doesn't this Mann guy just man up and present the data??? Have you asked yourself that?
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Vmax2006 » Aug 16th, 2017, 3:06 pm

Ball has no climate science relevant degree. He is not a climatologist. This is very old news. Was known back in 2000.

A climate denier is someone that denis anthropogenic climate change or at the very least, denies that the planet is warming. Not a new term.

There has been no fraudulent data. 7 independent investigations and 1 inhouse have found no ethics violations or fraud. The Muir Russell Report should inform you on this.

Propriatary data is mentioned in the MR Report. Some countries will provide their data through agreement. They consider some aspects of there data to be related to national security. I don't know if this is involved in the Mann vs Ball case or not but that is what proprietary data is about.

What I have to ask is why didn't you read my post? Lazy?

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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 16th, 2017, 9:10 pm

Vmax2006 wrote:

A climate denier is someone that denis anthropogenic climate change or at the very least, denies that the planet is warming. Not a new term.


This seems incredibly stupid. "Climate denier" - one who denies the climate exists? That's what "climate denier" means. If you mean something else, you should say it. off topic
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Glacier » Aug 17th, 2017, 12:30 pm

The link in the OP seems to be bunk to me since there are no other sources. It just sounds too good to be true sort of stories. You would think that if this were real there would be some other sources, even skeptical ones, but nothing.
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby StraitTalk » Aug 20th, 2017, 7:20 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
Vmax2006 wrote:

A climate denier is someone that denis anthropogenic climate change or at the very least, denies that the planet is warming. Not a new term.


This seems incredibly stupid. "Climate denier" - one who denies the climate exists? That's what "climate denier" means. If you mean something else, you should say it. off topic


Have you seriously fallen to the level of attacking well-established semantics in order to prove you're right? You might want to consider why you're here.
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby ForestfortheTrees » Aug 28th, 2017, 2:28 pm

This is a statement from Mann's lawyer on his facebook page regarding the OP article. Fact checking needs to happen on all sides.
https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/1466774033378794:0
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Re: The global warming hockey stick is a fraud

Postby Rider59 » Aug 30th, 2017, 4:14 am

More settled science. :200:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08 ... udy-finds/

Low-fat diets could raise the risk of early death by almost one quarter, a major study has found.

The Lancet study of 135,000 adults found those who cut back on fats had far shorter lives than those enjoying plenty of butter, cheese and meats.
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