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oldtrucker wrote:I have completely failed at my point .No I am not comparing women to a plate of food. That is not what I meant and I should have worded it differently. Let's replace the food idea with say a new car or a whatever-not food (I'll never live that down on here ) What I tried to get at is if anyone is 'attracting' another person...what is the motive? I'll try again.. If a man dresses attractively ,who is he trying to attract ?

That was the main thrust of my post though. Dressing nicely is just dressing nicely. Its a self confidence booster, it doesn't have to have anything to do at all with attracting people.

oldtrucker wrote:So...if a woman is dressing attractively, is she doing it to "attract" men? Is she doing it to attract women? What is dressing "attractively" for? Women know that men are hard wired by evolution to notice curves,and when a woman dresses with showing off those curves intentionally, who is she showing those curves to? Is it a game? Of course it is. Actually the game starts before they even leave the house in the form of "makeup"."Make"-up. It's what it sounds like. The deception starts there and ends with flaunting her sexuality ...but, don't look at her makeup or curves because that's not acceptable anymore.
Get where I'm going with this? It's kinda like advertising a delicious looking plate of food on a billboard and having someone show up to the place that was advertising it and saying to the person that wanted to buy the food that it wasn't for sale and they can't have any because the billboard was only put up there for the sole purpose of making people's mouths water.
Its a sick sick mindbleep game as usual.

I would have to disagree here, friend.

Please provide some reference to any source demonstrating that women dress 'attractively' simply to 'attract' Men or Women.

Ever put a perfectly fitting pair of jeans on? Bet it made you feel, well... "Nice".
Found you walked with a bit more confidence in your stride when you've been well-dressed for any occasion?

Are you doing it to 'attract' people, or are you doing it simply because it makes you feel good, self-assured, and perhaps adds a boost of confidence -- maybe even a bit more spring in your step?

You see, typically when people choose to dress well, it is not necessarily to make themselves akin to a 'billboard advertising a juicy steak that isn't actually being offered' ; in my experience very, very few Women would ever dress a certain way in the hopes of 'making mouths water'.

Rather, what I DO know is this: Everyone wants to feel that confidence; everyone loves feeling good or better about their appearance -- some more than others and some in more expressive ways than others.

It generally isn't a 'game' meant to target certain 'Men' as people of every Gender or Sex wear make-up, too.

People throughout many cultures also tend to augment their appearance -- but in this case let's focus on our modern, North American way. Hereits this is much more 'trendy' than previously accepted for the following to happen: Men's and Women's eyebrows are sculpted; 'Manscaping' has become de rigueur; the term 'Brazilian' has transcended Gender norms completely; and virtually all Genders/Sexes/Peoples tend to enjoy attention or compliments on their looks...

Arguably, the neurochemical response to a compliment is almost equal across the globe, regardless of culture.

Now, that being said, I have to ask: Given your logic above, can you please help us with some insight into how #MeToo proponents, activists, advocates, supporters, and allies who identify as Women and are NOT curvy suffer equal levels of sexual and personal violations as those who ARE curvy?

oldtrucker wrote:I have completely failed at my point .No I am not comparing women to a plate of food. That is not what I meant and I should have worded it differently. Let's replace the food idea with say a new car or a whatever-not food (I'll never live that down on here ) What I tried to get at is if anyone is 'attracting' another person...what is the motive? I'll try again.. If a man dresses attractively ,who is he trying to attract ?

You didn't fail at all. I completely understood your point, but unfortunately there's those who have no wish to understand it, because doing so would be counter productive to their narrative.

I think CapitalB is spinning a bit of a yarn, given that most of the people I know, dress one way for home, and completely differently for going out in public.

I comb my bed hair even when staying at home, but I may opt not to shave if I'm not going out in public, or wear sweats, which I would never wear if I'm out and about.

Whether subconscious or not, I think most of us put more effort into presenting our best selves out in public, and it sure doesn't hurt if we get complimented for it by the opposite sex.

oldtrucker wrote:I have completely failed at my point .No I am not comparing women to a plate of food. That is not what I meant and I should have worded it differently. Let's replace the food idea with say a new car or a whatever-not food (I'll never live that down on here ) What I tried to get at is if anyone is 'attracting' another person...what is the motive? I'll try again.. If a man dresses attractively ,who is he trying to attract ?

I don't know if you have a home and property, but let's say you do. Now you can have a home which is a dump, unpainted, untidy, unkept, and ugly. Or you can have an attractive home, that is kept up, looks nice, the yard is greenish, with trees, or plants, the fence is fixed, and so it is "attractive". Who are you trying to attract? Generally, no one, but you surely will feel better about your home, and your neighbors will feel better about the neighborhood, if it looks decent. You are not trying to attract your neighbors, or people from other neighborhoods, but it will look more "attractive",meaning someone cares enough to not let the whole place go to pot. (not that I have anything against pot). It's a term, that doesn't mean necessarily sexually attractive, although there might be some people who see it that way, since some people see everything "attractive" as being sexually attractive.
You might have an "attractive" car, is that because you like to have a nice car, or is it just a "chick-magnet" to you (maybe it is, and that is fine). That doesn't mean you want some chick to take advantage of you sexually without your consent (I would presume). And it doesn't necessarily mean I want a nice (attractive, meaning not ugly) car in order to attract some guy.

oldtrucker wrote:I have completely failed at my point .No I am not comparing women to a plate of food. That is not what I meant and I should have worded it differently. Let's replace the food idea with say a new car or a whatever-not food (I'll never live that down on here ) What I tried to get at is if anyone is 'attracting' another person...what is the motive? I'll try again.. If a man dresses attractively ,who is he trying to attract ?

Old Techie wrote:You didn't fail at all. I completely understood your point, but unfortunately there's those who have no wish to understand it, because doing so would be counter productive to their narrative.

And who would that be?

Comparing how someone dresses to food, a car or home is ludicrous.


This video sums it up pretty good.

Can't help but point out that my question was left unanswered -- and, let's be honest here, it was a pretty fair question...

the metoo movement is actually changing the way we think about laws. Accusations are more powerful now than actual court conviction.

I guess the way to combat this some have taken to extreme measures that that doesn't happen to them like Vice President Mike Pence using the "Billy Graham rule". Some even say by adopting this rule the very thing actually hinders Women in equality...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/21 ... wn-resigns

This guy should have adopted this rule. But he is now part of the Witch hunt....Maybe he did it...maybe he didn't...we don't know...its one persons word against another vs Public Opinion.

Hey look...whatever happens its never good that stuff like this happens to women...but accusations should never be above law...Nazi Germany loved accusations above law.

Symbonite wrote:the metoo movement is actually changing the way we think about laws. Accusations are more powerful now than actual court conviction.

I guess the way to combat this some have taken to extreme measures that that doesn't happen to them like Vice President Mike Pence using the "Billy Graham rule". Some even say by adopting this rule the very thing actually hinders Women in equality...

https://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/21 ... wn-resigns

This guy should have adopted this rule. But he is now part of the Witch hunt....Maybe he did it...maybe he didn't...we don't know...its one persons word against another vs Public Opinion.

Hey look...whatever happens its never good that stuff like this happens to women...but accusations should never be above law...Nazi Germany loved accusations above law.

I can’t help but wonder if this guy was taken out on purpose. It is an election year in Ontario and now that party has no leader. Smell funny to you?

Men are being taken out left right and center.

maybe all the men can be stay at home dad's and millions more women can go earn the family paycheck

foodsmith wrote:Now, that being said, I have to ask: Given your logic above, can you please help us with some insight into how #MeToo proponents, activists, advocates, supporters, and allies who identify as Women and are NOT curvy suffer equal levels of sexual and personal violations as those who ARE curvy?

Totally subjective. Curvy lies in the eyes of the beholder.

Wait, wait, wait...

Sooooo... Women can't decide if they're curvy?

That lay in the subjective hands of the beholder as they objectify the "Woman"?

Symbonite wrote:the metoo movement is actually changing the way we think about laws. Accusations are more powerful now than actual court conviction.

The problem in a nutshell.

Old Techie wrote:

Symbonite wrote:the metoo movement is actually changing the way we think about laws. Accusations are more powerful now than actual court conviction.

The problem in a nutshell.

Really? Is it?

That's like getting upset with a chicken because it followed its natural course and hatched from an egg.

The 'problem' isn't the #MeToo movement or its momentum...

It's the lack of acknowledgement and acceptance that the movement itself is well-founded in a history of foundational wrongdoings against human beings by human beings -- NOT just Women.

Women have just been courageous enough to start pecking at the inside of their 'cell' and, having seen opportunity to break free, are getting their due attention.

Naturally the 'problem' grows in scope as others see the benefit of such a movement. Quite honestly it is beautiful in its progression, and wonderful to witness people stand up for what may be right -- in my opinion.

It's like the old saying goes: "...Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has..."