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Re: #MeToo

Postby Jonrox » Jan 26th, 2018, 7:42 pm

Have you seen the movie? People only saw it because of those scenes. It's not a good movie. The movie was a vehicle for one thing and one thing only... it was written around those couple of scenes to sell tickets to people who wanted to see 30 seconds of her.

The entire movie leads up to that point. Whereas Game of Thrones has a story and there's a reason for the nudity, "In the Cut" was written for one reason only... a few seconds of Meg Ryan.

This wasn't one of those movies where nudity is artistic or done for the role... it was done to shock and sell tickets to see naked Meg Ryan. And that's fine, but trying to dress it up any other way disingenuous. I say good on her though. She made a small fortune for the role and capitalized on the curiosity factor.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 26th, 2018, 11:45 pm

zoo wrote:

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Who signed up to have sex for money? They applied for acting jobs, were assaulted, and in some cases accepted a settlement for the assault (and might have had a non-disclosure agreement).
Your joking right. Actresses for ever have been doing that. Watch movies much. You know they are getting paid for those nude shots and sex scenes dont you?

OK, I have to laugh now, The actresses are doing what ever they can using sexual means to get those parts as sexual objects in those movies. Whether its flirting, exposing most of there bodies, taking there clothes off, sex scene's. Have you ever goggled "casting couch"?
If you want to "visulalize" over their filmed image or magazine layout, there is no law against that, but there is a law against forcing unwanted sexual advances on them.[/quote]
Women need to stop blaming the system, demands of this industry that they say makes them do what is required for fame, money, attention etc. Its there choice so lets stop blaming others for your choices.
The post's are not about sexual attacks being ok, they are about women in hollywood that go there if full intentions to play the game and get everything they can with what they have to do. And yes, that is a power and they control it.
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Actors get paid to act, sometimes that involves a nude scene, if they agree to it.
The complaints are not about the simulated "sexuality" that is part of the job, is carefully choreographed, and involves (usually) simulated sex, if that was part of the agreement. The complaints are about unwanted sex that is forced on them, not the work they do on the set.
The scenes they act in are their choice, and are not what the reports of abuse are about.
Just because they simulate scenes of sex or violence, or murder for the purposes of making a movie, does not mean they it should be open season on actors for sexual abuse, or rape, or murder, or that it should just be "part of the job".
Surely you can see the difference between a simulated scene an actor has agreed to (you do realize they are not actually being beaten or raped don't you?), and an act of real sexual violation which occurs in their private life.
Actors are blaming the system for the real physical violations, of unwanted sexual acts, not the work they have contracted for which is simulated.
Now a child might not be able to tell the difference, but I am pretty sure most adults realize the difference between an actor, acting a part, and real sexual abuse.
The difference, again, comes down to consent, which seems to be such a difficult concept for some people to understand, but not really.
And again we have the confusion (really the facade of an excuse for abuse) over dress. There is no dress that a woman might wear, which entitles anyone else to sexually assault them. Actors aren't complaining about the dress they wear in order to look the part of an actor. But certain individuals seem to think that someone wearing a particular outfit is somehow asking to be attacked, and therefore the person assaulted has no right to protest the assault. No where is there a mention of the responsibility of the person assaulting them. The whole discussion, once again, becomes instead one of blaming the victim. And then blaming them again for reporting the attack, and tearing them down from there. This attitude only continues the cycle of abuse. And it is very clear on these threads which people seem to have this abusive mentality.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Queen K » Jan 26th, 2018, 11:46 pm

Hey Silverstarqueen, Can you put your PM on so I can voice my opinion to you directly? :biggrin:
It must be nice to live in an Ivory Tower, where everyone else makes mistakes. I have no idea what an ivory tower looks like.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby liisgo » Jan 27th, 2018, 8:05 pm

Hey zoo, I think the feminist here is jumping back and forth when needed to ignore the issues being talked about on this thread. One minute we are talking about Hollywood and the sexual business and everyone's part in it. The game, the use of sexual desires. nudity, flirting, sex etc. for money fame and fortune, and sometimes marriage, then back to the Weinstein and others.
That's whats crappy for all, and the reasons we cant grow up and deal with the real issues. Because feminists what to use every option they can to hijack issues to cover up, justify any thing that looks at themselves. Thats what they do.
Thats why most women do not call themselves feminists any more.

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Re: #MeToo

Postby liisgo » Jan 27th, 2018, 8:21 pm

FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD
1) Women account for 52% of moviegoers. (MPAA 2016)

2) On the top 100 grossing films of 2016, women represented:

4% of directors
11% of writers
3% of cinematographers
19% of producers
14% of editors
(Center for the Study of Women in Television and Film)

Someone posted the above info.

Well it is 2018 and by now one would have thought all the statistics to have been more equal, it is obvious nothing more than a choice of women not to enter into these fields. I'm sure we can all agree that the people that do enter into these fields put alot on the line, work extremely hard, take chances, etc etc. We should not expect the numbers to be gender equal if women choose not to enter into these areas. We can not make them.
Or wait a minute, are you saying that this is the patriarchy at work against women??
Its 2018, women can pick and choose what ever field they want. If this report is to show the patriarchy claimed by feminist its pretty poor and weak and actually embarrassing.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 28th, 2018, 8:43 am

liisgo wrote:Hey zoo, I think the feminist here is jumping back and forth when needed to ignore the issues being talked about on this thread. One minute we are talking about Hollywood and the sexual business and everyone's part in it. The game, the use of sexual desires. nudity, flirting, sex etc. for money fame and fortune, and sometimes marriage, then back to the Weinstein and others.
That's whats crappy for all, and the reasons we cant grow up and deal with the real issues. Because feminists what to use every option they can to hijack issues to cover up, justify any thing that looks at themselves. Thats what they do.
Thats why most women do not call themselves feminists any more.


The MeToo movement is about victims/survivors of sexual harassment, abuse, assault, and the exposing of the perpetrators of those abuses, the abuse of their power to make unwanted sexual advances. .

That is the topic of this thread.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby TreeGuy » Jan 28th, 2018, 9:31 am

liisgo wrote:FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT WOMEN IN HOLLYWOOD
1) Women account for 52% of moviegoers. (MPAA 2016)

2) On the top 100 grossing films of 2016, women represented:

4% of directors
11% of writers
3% of cinematographers
19% of producers
14% of editors
(Center for the Study of Women in Television and Film)

Someone posted the above info.

Well it is 2018 and by now one would have thought all the statistics to have been more equal, it is obvious nothing more than a choice of women not to enter into these fields. I'm sure we can all agree that the people that do enter into these fields put alot on the line, work extremely hard, take chances, etc etc. We should not expect the numbers to be gender equal if women choose not to enter into these areas. We can not make them.
Or wait a minute, are you saying that this is the patriarchy at work against women??
Its 2018, women can pick and choose what ever field they want. If this report is to show the patriarchy claimed by feminist its pretty poor and weak and actually embarrassing.


And then we have a Feminist PM that put women into positions just because they are women not because they were qualified or earned it.

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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 28th, 2018, 10:21 am

TreeGuy wrote:

And then we have a Feminist PM that put women into positions just because they are women not because they were qualified or earned it.


So the women he chose were not qualified and did not earn it (in your opinion), but only the men chosen were qualified or earned those positions? In ALL of Canada there was not even a handful of women as good as a man to fit the position, eh?

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Re: #MeToo

Postby TreeGuy » Jan 28th, 2018, 10:40 am

TreeGuy wrote:

And then we have a Feminist PM that put women into positions just because they are women not because they were qualified or earned it.


Silverstarqueen wrote:So the women he chose were not qualified and did not earn it (in your opinion), but only the men chosen were qualified or earned those positions? In ALL of Canada there was not even a handful of women as good as a man to fit the position, eh?


Let’s not put words in my mouth. We were talking about women in this thread.

I think our dipshyt PM used the tried and true eenie meenie minee mo method of choosing his cabinet with a sprinkle of politically correctness.

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Re: #MeToo

Postby Gilchy » Jan 28th, 2018, 12:48 pm

Ya, Silverstarqueen, this thread is for disparaging women, and questioning their suitability and credibility. Leave the poor menfolk alone!

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Re: #MeToo

Postby JLives » Jan 28th, 2018, 6:06 pm

TreeGuy wrote:Let’s not put words in my mouth. We were talking about women in this thread.

I think our dipshyt PM used the tried and true eenie meenie minee mo method of choosing his cabinet with a sprinkle of politically correctness.


Then it should be easy for you to give actual examples of those appointed who were not fit for their positions. We'll wait.

Funny how when men were the majority nobody questioned that they were unqualified and chosen over more qualified women. It's only when we have equality and more women in power that it's suddenly an issue.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 28th, 2018, 6:13 pm

Surely there can't be just as many qualified women as men at Oxford.

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Re: #MeToo

Postby TreeGuy » Jan 28th, 2018, 7:16 pm

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Re: #MeToo

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Re: #MeToo

Postby the truth » Jan 30th, 2018, 11:59 am

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