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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 17th, 2018, 3:25 pm

Stone did not claim it was sexual assault. She said it was "improper" and "inappropriate" behavior.
If he's claiming it is now ruining his career, that might be a bit of an exaggeration. He's 67, so he's had a pretty good run, far longer than most actors. Sounds like all she really wants is an apology, which wouldn't kill him.

Perhaps you are confusing this incident with another one where an actress claimed he "touched her inappropriately", she did tell him to stop, and but the behavior continued, etc. etc. I imagine his career was already in the toilet after that allegation became public.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby OKkayak » Dec 17th, 2018, 4:50 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:Stone did not claim it was sexual assault. She said it was "improper" and "inappropriate" behavior.
If he's claiming it is now ruining his career, that might be a bit of an exaggeration. He's 67, so he's had a pretty good run, far longer than most actors. Sounds like all she really wants is an apology, which wouldn't kill him.

Perhaps you are confusing this incident with another one where an actress claimed he "touched her inappropriately", she did tell him to stop, and but the behavior continued, etc. etc. I imagine his career was already in the toilet after that allegation became public.

Oh, so because he's 67, his career has "had a good run" and has no valid claim to the effects this may have or not?

From the article:

Stone says she "enthusiastically and willingly" replied to the texts from her fellow Australian actor when she was 25 and he was 59. Stone says she's "embarrassed" by the ways she participated.


Has she apologized to Rush for her "enthusiastic and willing" participation in the texting?
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 17th, 2018, 5:49 pm

"The 33-year-old tells The New York Times Rush danced naked in front of her in their dressing room, used a mirror to watch her while she showered and sent her occasionally erotic texts.

Stone says she "enthusiastically and willingly" replied to the texts from her fellow Australian actor when she was 25 and he was 59. Stone says she's "embarrassed" by the ways she participated.

Stone says she was trying to manage "uncomfortable moments" without offending the star"

So you think she should apologize because she didn't report (to whom would she report?)at the time his dancing naked in front of her, or using a mirror to watch her shower, or sending her erotic texts. You think she is the guilty one because she responded to his texts. Now we are expecting 25 year olds to make 59 year olds behave appropriately. Maybe he should try Weinstein's defence: things were different then and I was too young to know any better what might be appropriate behavior with a female colleague. Look if he wanted to act like an ape, and she didn't stop him, why can't he just own his own stupid behavior and be done with it?
As far as his career, it wasn't suffering until a previous actress accused him of touching her genitals (inappropriately). So after that (which was or is in the courts), there wasn't much of a career to trash. So yes, he had a good run until he ruined it, and it wasn't Stone that did that.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby OKkayak » Dec 17th, 2018, 5:59 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:
So you think she should apologize

Yes. She engaged enthusiastically and willingly. She could have chosen there and then to not participate, but she didn't. She continued to participate. If she felt uncomfortable at the time because of his fame, well, thats on her and not an excuse.

Since you asked if it's really going to kill Rush by apologizing, I ask you the same. Is it really going to kill Stone to apologize that she should not have participated in the texting?
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 17th, 2018, 7:05 pm

She explained that as a much younger actress, she did not feel it was her place to "straighten him out" or report him. She knew she would have been sent down the road, and he, as an established and well respected actor, would not have been fired. At least that is what she believed at the time. Why is the onus on a young woman, to make an mature established actor behave, and risk her job/career to do it? There are 12.5 million women in the Australia., this well established actor could not find another girlfriend somewhere amongst them? Young actresses are not a built in sexual network for older male actors. It was not her place to control his behavior, that is on him. She respected him and certainly did not want to embarass him or seem to be "difficult to work with", which would have killed her career.

What happened to the other woman who made a complaint against him? He eventually made it into a defamation lawsuite. Instead of quietly handling it in house, and just cleaning up his act, he took it to court. Well good for him, then his outrageous behavior then becomes public knowledge and he ends up whining about how it harmed his career. If a guy like him doesn't want the fallout, he should consider his behavior and act more professionally with the people he works with.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby OKkayak » Dec 17th, 2018, 8:47 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:She explained that as a much younger actress, she did not feel it was her place to "straighten him out" or report him.

Oh gotcha, Rush "should have known better" but Stone was "much younger back then". She was in her mid 20s when this happened. So at what age is a woman responsible for their actions?
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Re: #MeToo

Postby MAPearce » Dec 17th, 2018, 9:17 pm

This thread is an SSQ thread.....

We get it ..

She hates men and boys and all things that bring procreation .....

Heaven forbid My kids get the chance at meeting their first crush..

SSQ says " That's rape" ....
I payed attention in High school....But not to what they were trying to teach me..

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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 18th, 2018, 3:10 am

Silverstarqueen wrote:She explained that as a much younger actress, she did not feel it was her place to "straighten him out" or report him.

OKkayak wrote:Oh gotcha, Rush "should have known better" but Stone was "much younger back then". She was in her mid 20s when this happened. So at what age is a woman responsible for their actions?


She wasn't running around exposing herself in his dressing room. She didn't use a mirror to watch him showering.
At what age is a woman responsible for a guy's actions who is 24 years her senior?
Would you say this is acceptable behavior for a 59 year old guy? Yes, he absolutely should have known better.
It was not her place, an actress of lower status, to make an established actor behave in a civilized manner in a work environment. If she had tried to out his outrageous behavior at the time, she would have been out of a job, and he would have continued his behavior with the next young woman that came along.
Why should young women have to put up with this sort of predatory behavior?
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Grandan » Dec 18th, 2018, 7:35 am

The thrill of the hunt never goes away. At some point" looking" is all a guy can do, that is why there are stripper bars.
Eventually girls will figure out that they have been lead into a situation that makes them uncomfortable and take steps to never let it happen again. Mid 20's is a bit late in my mind for the penny to drop.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 18th, 2018, 7:50 am

Grandan wrote:The thrill of the hunt never goes away. At some point" looking" is all a guy can do, that is why there are stripper bars.
Eventually girls will figure out that they have been lead into a situation that makes them uncomfortable and take steps to never let it happen again. Mid 20's is a bit late in my mind for the penny to drop.


How would this actress "never let it happen" when their dressing rooms were assigned together and the lead actor cannot accept rejection? How do you suggest she prevent him from using a mirror to watch her shower? How do you suggest she stop him from climbing into her bed while she was napping? She had to work with him in very close quarters and not offend him. So she made the best of it and tried to tell him in a non-aggressive way. She was miserable, her coworkers suspected something was wrong, but apparently he didn't? There's a big difference between courting a lady's affections and preying on her when she has to choose between doing her job or being safe from a predator. Yes, "looking" is all he can do, unless he is an actor with some clout, and then he can do whatever he likes.
HIs response to the other woman who accused him of "innapropriate behavior" was a defamation lawsuit.
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 19th, 2018, 7:50 am

Finally some progress being made. Get them while they are young, prosecute them, get them counselling. Years ago, this would not have been reported or investigated and the abuse would have continued indefinitely. Victims would be expected to "prevent this from happening". Abusers would grow up to continue to abuse.
Break the cycle.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.4952022
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 20th, 2018, 11:53 am

How many stories, in years gone by, were suppressed because women feared speaking up? Now more women want to tell their truth, and still there are ongoing efforts to deny their right to do so. The perps will just have to buckle up and prepare for the consequences.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/ma ... -1.4952406
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Re: #MeToo

Postby zoo » Dec 20th, 2018, 3:19 pm

New reports and findings are pointing out now that boys and men are actually dealing with many forms of sexual harassment at a level comparable to women. Wow, Like a new report that states in universities men and women harassment s are at the same numbers? Lack of reports, funding, interest in it. Shocker. Why such a double standard? If women are harassing at such a comparable high level then what is being done to deal with it? Report it, eliminate it?
Why are some posters here doing all they can to create a hypocritical hysteria of gender discrimination on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLw_f1J3uX0
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Re: #MeToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 20th, 2018, 4:06 pm

zoo wrote:New reports and findings are pointing out now that boys and men are actually dealing with many forms of sexual harassment at a level comparable to women. Wow, Like a new report that states in universities men and women harassment s are at the same numbers? Lack of reports, funding, interest in it. Shocker. Why such a double standard? If women are harassing at such a comparable high level then what is being done to deal with it? Report it, eliminate it?
Why are some posters here doing all they can to create a hypocritical hysteria of gender discrimination on it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLw_f1J3uX0


Yes, I suppose snowmobilers also are suffering sexual harassement and abuse. Hopefully this can be stopped, somehow. Any suggestions as to how to do that?

Do you have some specific examples of your concerns, a link, so we can discuss?
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Re: #MeToo

Postby liisgo » Dec 20th, 2018, 7:14 pm

Are we reading this? Harassment against men and boys and snowmobilers comes up.
Hypocritical double standards. Didn't see it as a joke this issue.
There are lots of reports, illustrating that men are just as much on the receiving end of sexual harassment as women, coming to light. Including the one included in above post that shows men and women students are equally sexually harassed in universities.
So why try so hard to keep it as ,"women victims and men the perpetrators"?
Society has always painted this pictures.
Wanna move forward on these issue's? Stop hiding.
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