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Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 9:52 am
by Silverstarqueen
You might be surprised and amazed to discover that not every interaction between a male and a female involves sex.
As far as I can tell, from what has been talked about so far in the news, there is NO allegation of sexual interference.
So until there is an allegation, there is only speculation. and except for this thread, I have not even heard of speculation that sexual harassment or assault were involved in this case.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 9:56 am
by Silverstarqueen
Not that there are no incidents of sexual assault in the news, there are those who believe women can achieve anything a man can in this world, but we still keep hearing of how women have to first overcome sexual assault and harassment just to accomplish what a man does, even if they otherwise are capable of meeting the same requirements.
First Female fighter pilot almost quit her career aspirations over sexual assault by a senior officer. When this stops, we will talk about "equality" for women.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizon ... or-officer
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 9:59 am
by Silverstarqueen
And then there's this guy, who claims innocence, of course, accused of preying on children. Can't wait to see him get what he deserves.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#250930
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 10:18 am
by Rider59
Silverstarqueen wrote:Not that there are no incidents of sexual assault in the news, there are those who believe women can achieve anything a man can in this world, but we still keep hearing of how women have to first overcome sexual assault and harassment just to accomplish what a man does, even if they otherwise are capable of meeting the same requirements.
First Female fighter pilot almost quit her career aspirations over sexual assault by a senior officer. When this stops, we will talk about "equality" for women.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizon ... or-officer
Are you willing to give up all of life’s perks afforded to only women in the name of equality? I bet deep down you don’t.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 11:35 am
by Fancy
Where is the Me Too movement going from here?
It’s a movement to support survivors. It is a movement to make sure survivors have resources... Make sure that people recognize, survivors mostly, recognize that they have the power to do the work to end sexual violence. And a lot of that is around cultural shift, a different understanding of our role to end sexual violence, and also our role in relating to each other in that work. And that’s a big order. That can’t happen from just the internet… That takes different kinds of people, working together… That’s what we’re doing in a big way. Our work is really about shifting the narrative… it’s around providing resources and connecting individual survivors to resources they may or may not have known existed – and if they did know existed, didn’t know how to access them.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#250952
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 7th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by Silverstarqueen
Rider59 wrote:Silverstarqueen wrote:Not that there are no incidents of sexual assault in the news, there are those who believe women can achieve anything a man can in this world, but we still keep hearing of how women have to first overcome sexual assault and harassment just to accomplish what a man does, even if they otherwise are capable of meeting the same requirements.
First Female fighter pilot almost quit her career aspirations over sexual assault by a senior officer. When this stops, we will talk about "equality" for women.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizon ... or-officer
Are you willing to give up all of life’s perks afforded to only women in the name of equality? I bet deep down you don’t.
So women should be prepared to give up maternity leave in order not to be sexually assaulted at work?
What "perks" are you talking about? I am not aware of any "perks" that should be traded or could be traded for basic right to work without being sexually assaulted.
I am talking about women's rights, like not being assaulted at work. You are talking about "perks" .
Would you say men should give up "all of life's perks afforded only to them" so they can be free of assault while they are simply trying to earn a living?
Re: #MeToo
Posted: Mar 9th, 2019, 12:10 pm
by MAPearce
Silverstarqueen wrote:You might be surprised and amazed to discover that not every interaction between a male and a female involves sex.
As far as I can tell, from what has been talked about so far in the news, there is NO allegation of sexual interference.
So until there is an allegation, there is only speculation. and except for this thread, I have not even heard of speculation that sexual harassment or assault were involved in this case.
No , no , no ... I think it's YOU who would be surprised ..
I WILL testify to that under oath .
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 6:11 pm
by Silverstarqueen
In case anyone is still wondering why girls and women don't report sexual assaults, imagine how a teen girl might feel reporting and not being believed and instead being interrogated as if she, the victim, had done something wrong. I think the police have a very long way to go yet in handling sexual assault cases. This is just unacceptable.
https://www.mtlblog.com/news/canada/dis ... y-outraged
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 6:14 pm
by Vacancyrate
Cops have to ask questions
Especially these days.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 6:52 pm
by Silverstarqueen
You might not have a daughter, or a sister, or a son, but I think the police need to be far better trained to handle victims of sexual assault. There is no way it is right to interrogate this teen, or any victim of assault this way. She's already been traumatized, and this type of treatment makes that worse. I don't expect ordinary individuals who know nothing about sexual assault to understand what was wrong with this style of interrogation of a victim, but I do expect police or social workers, or medical personnel dealing with victims of assault to know better.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 9:09 pm
by kgcayenne
People wondered why I took CQD courses and can sufficiently maim an attacker. The trick would be to recall the skills despite the paralysis that takes place at the point of assault.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 9:36 pm
by Vacancyrate
I pointed out how the most high-profile sexual assault case in recent years turned out to be a few people who wanted to hurt a man and were ultimately destroyed in court in a unfathomable way. The whole country was ready to hang Jian Ghomeshi by his privates but then we found out the accuser wrote love letters to Jian complimenting him on his "abuse" and asking for more of it in a sexual manner.
That part was edited out and all that was left was "Cops have to ask questions"
I'll just leave this here as well :
https://www.amazon.ca/How-Destroy-Man-N ... 099982032X
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 10:17 pm
by Silverstarqueen
Ghomeshi got his day in court, and even tho he had a thing for strangling his dates, the courts were cool with that.I think if you are going to assault your dates, you should have to deal with at least the threat of an occasional court case. Even if there are a small percentage of women who attempt to entrap their abusers rather than report to police, this does not negate the fact that most women do not report because of the crappy treatment from law enforcement, and the crummy conviction rate.
The teen which was referenced in this latest story bravely, naively, did report, but unlike Ghomeshi, she not get her day in court, the perp was not brought to justice. And I think anyone who has a shred of decency would say she was not treated in a caring considerate manner that you would expect for an assault victim. There are plenty of examples of where assault victims cases are never followed up on, no one is brought to trial, if brought to trial conviction rate is very low, if convicted penalties are not much of a deterrant.
So not a word of sympathy for her trauma, instead a diversion and deflection, to some poor prosecuted sap who liked to rough up his dates and got off because the prosecution did not do an adequate job of preparing the case.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 15th, 2019, 11:31 pm
by Vacancyrate
Silverstarqueen wrote:Ghomeshi got his day in court, and even tho he had a thing for strangling his dates, the courts were cool with that.
His dates had a thing for being strangled.
The courts are cool with consent.
Re: #MeToo
Posted: May 16th, 2019, 7:13 am
by Gilchy
Gee, I wonder why many women are afraid to come forward with complaints:
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-256387-1-.htm#256387 linked through to:
https://aptnnews.ca/2019/05/13/were-you-turned-on-by-this-at-all-even-a-little-bit-rcmp-officer-asks-indigenous-youth-during-sexual-assault-report/...
Were you at all turned on during this at all? Even a little bit?’ the officer said. “You understand that when a guy tries to have sex with a female and the female is completely unwilling it is very difficult.”
In one exchange, he appears to question how hard she tried to fight during the alleged assault.
“Go over again with me how did you try and get him to stop,” he said. “Did you scream ‘no’ did you say ‘get off me’, did you say ‘this was rape? I need you to stop?’”
“I don’t remember, tried to get my legs around him to try and get him to stop,” she said.
“Okay… um I don’t know how that would work, if he’s having intercourse with you and your legs are flat.” the constable answered.
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t one point the constable asks the teen if she is lying and if she knows the “seriousness” of what she is reporting.
“Do you know what could happen to people who are accused of that?” he said. “They could go to prison for up to 14 years.”
“You do understand making a report to police that is false is a crime,” he added that, “it’s not something we joke around with just so you know.”
He also accuse the teen of lying to avoid getting in trouble with her foster parents.
“Is one of the reasons why you came up with this is because you thought you might be pregnant and you thought you might need the pill?” he said.
“It’s because I had just gotten taken advantage of and I didn’t consent to it,” she answers.
The officer asks the teen why she asked the alleged perpetrator to wear a condom during the attack
“Because I already knew it was going to happen and there was no escaping it,” she said to which he answered “what does that tell me about your level of consent and your level of denial?”