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Re: #MenToo

Postby Queen K » Nov 22nd, 2017, 6:11 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:So I wonder what was the result of these cases, jail term? which it should be.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-us-cra ... nts-2015-4



"In U.S. schools last year, almost 800 school employees were prosecuted for sexual assault, nearly a third of them women. The proportion of women facing charges seems to be higher than in years past, when female teachers often got a pass, said Terry Abbott, a former chief of staff at the U.S. Department of Education, who tracked the cases.

This year's numbers are already slightly ahead of last year with 26 cases of female school employees accused of inappropriate relationships with male students in January compared to 19 cases the previous January.

Female educators who sexually abuse their students are facing tougher prosecution in part because there are more women police officers. There is also a greater awareness among prosecutors, judges and the general public that students who are victimized by an authority figure, regardless of gender, experience trauma with life-long consequences."

This is just it right? Women teachers often got a "free pass" when it came to sexual advances towards teenage boys, likely due to a false *wink, wink, wow, every boys fantasy come true attitude. However, add the power of giving out marks and letters of recommendations, or not, over their academic lives, nevermind the lasting, lingering feeling of being taken advantage of, there comes a time when it has to be prosecuted more heavily.

Take 50 Shades of Grey. Christain is 15 or so when is mother's friend takes advantage of him. Why is it so acceptable because he became a billionaire?
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Re: #MenToo

Postby zensiert » Nov 22nd, 2017, 10:06 pm

And then you have this. A teacher forcing students to have sex with her by threatening their grades.

Normally women like her would be let off with a slap on the wrist, assuming this came to the attention of the law at all. At least she is getting some jail time, even if it is a fraction of that which a man would get (a man would probably get a sentence of over a century, with no chance of parole in his lifetime).
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Nov 23rd, 2017, 6:49 am

Really? Do you have one example of a male teacher getting a century in prison for having sex with students?

I see sentences of 5-10, even with multiple victims.

"•Male defendants went to prison in 54 percent of cases compared with 44 percent of cases for female defendants;

•Men averaged 2.4 years in prison compared with 1.6 years in prison for women,;

•Ninety-three of the 97 cases ended in plea deals;

•Forty-seven cases ended in noncustodial sentences, which typically involved pre-trial intervention programs or probation."

"Of the 97 cases in the past 10 years, the longest sentence was seven years for a female and 10 for a man, though the male case involved multiple relationships."
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 8th, 2017, 5:42 am

More victims come to light every day. I am concerned that the public is going to become impervious to the tragedy in each one of these victims lives, many of whom did not survive to tell their story.

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Re: #MenToo

Postby Symbonite » Dec 8th, 2017, 2:51 pm

Hey it goes both ways....you cant have a one way street on anything. Just waiting for the day that a guy comes out and takes down a big hollywood actress on abuse...heads will explode.
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 8th, 2017, 9:09 pm

Symbonite wrote:Hey it goes both ways....you cant have a one way street on anything. Just waiting for the day that a guy comes out and takes down a big hollywood actress on abuse...heads will explode.

Sexism and harassment, like racism is and always will be a one way street.
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Re: #MenToo

Postby StraitTalk » Dec 9th, 2017, 10:10 am

Dizzy1 wrote:
Symbonite wrote:Hey it goes both ways....you cant have a one way street on anything. Just waiting for the day that a guy comes out and takes down a big hollywood actress on abuse...heads will explode.

Sexism and harassment, like racism is and always will be a one way street.


This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on Castanet. Are you being sarcastic or am I misunderstanding you?
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 9th, 2017, 2:06 pm

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This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on Castanet. Are you being sarcastic or am I misunderstanding you?

You should read this thread from the beginning, pay in particular attention to how Jonrox has tried to downplay the fact that men are harassed, objectified, abused, etc. as well.
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 9th, 2017, 5:00 pm

StraitTalk wrote:
This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read on Castanet. Are you being sarcastic or am I misunderstanding you?

Dizzy1 wrote:You should read this thread from the beginning, pay in particular attention to how Jonrox has tried to downplay the fact that men are harassed, objectified, abused, etc. as well.


You've found one guy who thinks it's not so bad for guys as for women and then come to generalization "Sexism and harassment, like racism is and always will be a one way street."

We know perfectly well many men are also harrassed, abused, sexually, and we know the vast majority are not reporting, and run into the same stonewall that women have in reporting, but you want confirmation that most people really think guys don't have it all that bad. Here we have a spot for any guys to comment on abuse against men, if they choose or for people to discuss the problem, but instead you are declaring that sexism is a one-way street.

Jonrox is one person on this thread, and who knows, may even have a different view after he has read some of the experiences of other men. I myself thought that the harassment of women was not that widespread at first, until all these women have been reporting, and other women on the MeToo thread said, yes it really is a common problem for lots of women. So I don't think sweeping generalizations can be drawn. we await more men coming forward to tell their stories until people get it. I think it is rather like the atrocities against the First Nations, I don't think anyone realized how widespread it was until finally after all these years, we hear the actual horrific stories coming out. How else are we to learn, or understand , or make changes for the better?
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 9th, 2017, 6:34 pm

Keep wishing some rich old bird wants to sexually abuse me :D
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 9th, 2017, 11:17 pm

Silverstarqueen wrote:You've found one guy who thinks it's not so bad for guys as for women and then come to generalization "Sexism and harassment, like racism is and always will be a one way street."

Yes, I'm basing my view because of what one person in this thread said. Come on, we're smarter than that. The double standard and hypocrisy when it comes to abuse/harassment/objectification is obvious ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... ef30d73565

Silverstarqueen wrote:How else are we to learn, or understand , or make changes for the better?

My honest opinion? Stop segregating. Stop dividing the issue into sexes. Harassment/abuse/objectification is a problem, just as is racism - but the more and more we keep dividing the problem into sexes or races the farther and farther we get from reaching the goal because we focus on squabbling who its happening to instead of how we can deal with it. And until we admit that women are just as capable and guilty of abuse/harassment/objectification (numbers are irrelevant) and start tackling that on a social level, we can't focus on the actual issue.

I hope that makes somewhat sense, writing while nodding off is never a good thing lol

Treat abuse/harassment for what it is - regardless of who it happens to. Deal with the issue, not the sex.
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Re: #MenToo

Postby StraitTalk » Dec 10th, 2017, 2:38 am

Dizzy1 wrote:
Treat abuse/harassment for what it is - regardless of who it happens to. Deal with the issue, not the sex.


This a million times. Ever since Black Lives Matters started interrupting and protesting gay pride parades because "their cause is more important" I've realised that these movements are full of hypocrites who are selfish under the guise of equality.

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Re: #MenToo

Postby the truth » Dec 10th, 2017, 2:43 pm

and that's the truth
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Re: #MenToo

Postby the truth » Dec 11th, 2017, 8:48 am

"The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." -George Orwell
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Re: #MenToo

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 11th, 2017, 4:51 pm

Yes, women abuse too, it's not a matter of which sex, that has been said often. Commented on TV, said in many discussions. Gone are the days when people presume that apparently nice, respected leader in our community can't possibly be abusers. Gone are the days when people can presume that men are not abused, by other men, and by women.

But there are still a few outlyers shouting in the wind," but it's more men", or" it's more women", because they haven't got the memo yet. We don't know the exact numbers. We certainly seem to be hearing from more women, but the men are reporting their experiences more now too. So great, and what are we doing about it? Hopefully actually writing it in to appropriate codes of behavior for workplaces, schools, colleges, or where-ever. Hopefully people are going to think a bit about how they impose on others, oblivious it seems to the effect on their victims. Hopefully the abusers will stop, or the powers that be will stop them if they won't do it voluntarily. Hopefully they will start by admitting their wrong doing and apologizing and atoning, at the very least (since prosecution seems to be a bridge too far for our society right now in many cases).
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