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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Ka-El » Dec 12th, 2017, 5:30 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: The problem is progressives.

On the contrary, as already previously noted, evolution, including social, political and cultural evolution is inevitable. We cannot stop change, and as much as this truth drives conservatives crazy and inspires them to pursue all sorts of desperate attacks, the world, including its politics and culture, will continue to change and evolve. As Charles Darwin observed, “It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Our problems lie with the conservative forces that desperately seek to perpetuate the status quo or “turn back the clock”.

We can only guess what our social systems might look like in another 10 to 20 years. The concern today is whether the foundation of that change is going to be based on more the progressive values of diversity, tolerance and inclusion, or by more tired and regressive values of intolerance, divisiveness, hate and exclusion as promoted by the so-called “populists”. The millennials might be disillusioned with the political system they’ve found here, but it is those same millennials we so desperately need to start participating in the political process so we can peacefully affect the direction of change before that choice is taken away from us. Those who like what they see happening in the United States today should move there.
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Sparki55 » Dec 12th, 2017, 5:45 pm

Ka-El wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote: The problem is progressives.

On the contrary, as already previously noted, evolution, including social, political and cultural evolution is inevitable. We cannot stop change, and as much as this truth drives conservatives crazy and inspires them to pursue all sorts of desperate attacks, the world, including its politics and culture, will continue to change and evolve. As Charles Darwin observed, “It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Our problems lie with the conservative forces that desperately seek to perpetuate the status quo or “turn back the clock”.

We can only guess what our social systems might look like in another 10 to 20 years. The concern today is whether the foundation of that change is going to be based on more the progressive values of diversity, tolerance and inclusion, or by more tired and regressive values of intolerance, divisiveness, hate and exclusion as promoted by the so-called “populists”. The millennials might be disillusioned with the political system they’ve found here, but it is those same millennials we so desperately need to start participating in the political process so we can peacefully affect the direction of change before that choice is taken away from us. Those who like what they see happening in the United States today should move there.


The way I see politics moving is toward a socialist society where everyone lives in a government home and receives a check not based on performance but based on the fact they are born and living.

I feel that the high cost of home ownership and stagnant wages are on purpose to make the population rely on the government.
Millennials aren't able to donate simply because the government would rather us all be dependent on their handouts. We are much easier to govern that way.

There are very smart people in Canada and I do not believe they are unable to control the cost of home ownership; the cost isn't high by accident. It's not like Canada is running out of land, raw materials or a workforce to build more homes.

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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Ka-El » Dec 12th, 2017, 5:58 pm

Sparki55 wrote: The way I see politics moving is toward a socialist society where everyone lives in a government home and receives a check not based on performance but based on the fact they are born and living.

I suspect we likely will move toward some sort of a more socialist system, but not because people want to live under the government’s care. Socialism has been called the least understood and most misunderstood of all political paradigms, and the silly hyperbolic rhetoric repeated on these boards only highlights that truism. Still, I doubt we’d ever see a truly socialist system in Canada, but we might move toward a more social democratic system where there would be more political participation and more government accountability. It would probably be best if we could throw away such terms, and recognize there are great ideas from across the political spectrum that could be implemented to improve the lives of everyone instead of just a select few. But ya, if you prefer, the left-wingers all just want to live on government handouts.
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Dec 12th, 2017, 6:12 pm

Sparki55 wrote:Millennials aren't able to donate simply because the government would rather us all be dependent on their handouts.


How many millennials in Canada are in receipt of government handouts?

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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Dec 12th, 2017, 6:14 pm

Ka-El wrote:But ya, if you prefer, the left-wingers all just want to live on government handouts.


Someone told me earlier that left-wing millennials are the main people taking from food banks so that they have money for alcohol. It was a really pleasant social interaction.

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Postby Queen K » Dec 12th, 2017, 6:17 pm

I'm sure you let them have it. LOL.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 12th, 2017, 7:42 pm

I am sure glad that I bought back in the early 80's. I wish I could have bought more. I wish I had bought more in the early 90's when I moved to Kelowna.

Should have, could have, .....hindsight is always 20/20.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Grandan » Dec 12th, 2017, 10:46 pm

alanjh595 wrote:I am sure glad that I bought back in the early 80's. I wish I could have bought more. I wish I had bought more in the early 90's when I moved to Kelowna.

Should have, could have, .....hindsight is always 20/20.


I am on my second property in Kelowna, the first was in 1981 and it was the cheapest place I could find. There wasn't much for sale under $100,000.
My wife was at home with little ones so there was no second income. We bought the largest sized lot I could find. with a 2 bdrm house for $90,500 and had to ask for the raise to get to $2000 per month that I needed to qualify for the mortgage.
I had a sizable down payment. They were not free and easy with credit in those days.
If you want the same climate and don't mind the drive, there are still some great deals to be had in the Fintry area.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby zerograv » Dec 13th, 2017, 8:16 am

Bman wrote:I think the average millenial barely has the skills to fend for themselves outside of having an income and using that for trade for goods and services.
I think when that money runs out before the week does ( likely more often than not) they blame society for it coz they think they should be freely allowed the spoils and riches of the earth.
Most millenials I know want to start out life with what the ones before them finished with.

It's cute listening to them squeal when ya pop their bubble wrap.
I've never seen a more helpless generation.
It's funny listening to them defend their sense of entitlement.


I'm a millenial. I have 48,000 left on my mortgage, a new truck and a brand new travel trailer. I have a variety of investments, including bitcoin :D I work in Kelowna and make a pretty average wage. I worked my *bleep* off, and me and my fiancee put off getting married to realize our dreams. We also have kids. Our parents were both basically poor. We started with nothing.

And you know what? I know a lot of people my age who are doing better then I am.

Don't paint us all with the same brush :up:

And in terms of donating money, I don't. I don't like seeing my hard earned money going to some corrupt boomer who has such a better work ethic then I do instead of the money going to the people of their supposed causes.

I'd donate food or clothing, but never money.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Sparki55 » Dec 13th, 2017, 8:25 am

Grandan wrote:I am on my second property in Kelowna, the first was in 1981 and it was the cheapest place I could find. There wasn't much for sale under $100,000.
My wife was at home with little ones so there was no second income. We bought the largest sized lot I could find. with a 2 bdrm house for $90,500 and had to ask for the raise to get to $2000 per month that I needed to qualify for the mortgage.
I had a sizable down payment. They were not free and easy with credit in those days.
If you want the same climate and don't mind the drive, there are still some great deals to be had in the Fintry area.


You made $24,000 a year and a 2 bed house on property cost $90,000 and were very luck your wife could stay home with the kids.

If this were the same today (average income is $76,000 for two poeple working (or $38,000 each) a 2 bedroom home on property would cost $142,000. Instead a detached 2 bedroom is somewhere around $350,000 for the cheapest and both parents have to work full time.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 13th, 2017, 8:38 am

Sparki55 wrote:
You made $24,000 a year and a 2 bed house on property cost $90,000 and were very luck your wife could stay home with the kids.

If this were the same today (average income is $76,000 for two poeple working (or $38,000 each) a 2 bedroom home on property would cost $142,000. Instead a detached 2 bedroom is somewhere around $350,000 for the cheapest and both parents have to work full time.

While I agree with what you said - you also have to factor in that back then one had a modest car to get from Point A to B vs today’s loaded vehicles with rims that could feed a family of four for the year. Back then we didn’t have all the different toys for every season. Back then we didn’t have credit card debt that’s in the tens of thousands - if we wanted something we saved up for it.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Sparki55 » Dec 13th, 2017, 8:48 am

Dizzy1 wrote:While I agree with what you said - you also have to factor in that back then one had a modest car to get from Point A to B vs today’s loaded vehicles with rims that could feed a family of four for the yeartechnology has improved, there were generations before which lacked electricity and cars altogether.. Back then we didn’t have all the different toys for every seasonunless the bank of mom and dad is buying(blaming previos generation for spoiling), the fanciest toy millennials have is a cell phone. No one expects to buy a home and own a snowmobile, dirtbike, 10 tvs. If one owned those items they eould be the first things sold to pay for a downpayment. Back then we didn’t have credit card debt that’s in the tens of thousands - if we wanted something we saved up for it.
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Postby forum » Jan 1st, 2018, 9:04 pm

Canadians are screwed big time. Boomers and Millenials will go to the grave owing and leaving nothing. Just a bunch of non-producing consumers. I think Gen-X are the ones doing all the work.

Canadians owe $1.71 for every dollar of disposable income they had in the third quarter of 2017, the highest amount on record.

Statistics Canada reported Thursday that Canadian households owed more than $2.1 trillion at the end of September, up 1.4 per cent from the summer. Mortgages were the biggest chunk of that debt, up 1.5 per cent in the previous three months to $1.3 trillion.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Grandan » Jan 2nd, 2018, 7:49 pm

Grandan wrote:I am on my second property in Kelowna, the first was in 1981 and it was the cheapest place I could find. There wasn't much for sale under $100,000.
My wife was at home with little ones so there was no second income. We bought the largest sized lot I could find. with a 2 bdrm house for $90,500 and had to ask for the raise to get to $2000 per month that I needed to qualify for the mortgage.
I had a sizable down payment. They were not free and easy with credit in those days.
If you want the same climate and don't mind the drive, there are still some great deals to be had in the Fintry area.

Sparki55 wrote:You made $24,000 a year and a 2 bed house on property cost $90,000 and were very luck your wife could stay home with the kids.

If this were the same today (average income is $76,000 for two poeple working (or $38,000 each) a 2 bedroom home on property would cost $142,000. Instead a detached 2 bedroom is somewhere around $350,000 for the cheapest and both parents have to work full time.

There is a big difference between the house I bought in 1980 with 2 bedrooms and one bath than what is available today.
I had a septic system with insufficient capacity.
I had a waterwell with an archaic pump.
No proper insulation.
No double glazed windows.
Insufficient power to run an electric stove and clothes dryer.
Today there are few if any examples of this form of housing so
we are comparing two very different things.
We are in an age of inexpensive consumer goods now, it was not like that in 1980.
Yes, my wife stayed home with the kids but she also worked her tail off by
gardening, canning and making the clothes our kids wore. It was not easy street I can tell you.
There also were not the jobs for women at that time that there are today so working outside the home was not easy with 4 kids in school, the jobs just were not available.
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Re: Millenials don't donate? WRONG, CAN'T AFFORD TO DONATE.

Postby Sparki55 » Jan 3rd, 2018, 5:15 pm

Grandan wrote:There is a big difference between the house I bought in 1980 with 2 bedrooms and one bath than what is available today.
I had a septic system with insufficient capacity.
I had a waterwell with an archaic pump.
No proper insulation.
No double glazed windows.
Insufficient power to run an electric stove and clothes dryer.
Today there are few if any examples of this form of housing so
we are comparing two very different things.
We are in an age of inexpensive consumer goods now, it was not like that in 1980.
Yes, my wife stayed home with the kids but she also worked her tail off by
gardening, canning and making the clothes our kids wore. It was not easy street I can tell you.
There also were not the jobs for women at that time that there are today so working outside the home was not easy with 4 kids in school, the jobs just were not available.


My condo was built in 1979, all original equipment (electrical included) except for the added washer and dryer. Washer and dryer were in a shared room. I believe your home was not perfect but I can't imagine my condo was a luxurious exception.

Have you seen some of the dumps in Rutland going for over $500K? They may be on sewer and water from the city but they certainly aren't great to move right in.
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