54889
53019

Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Social, economic and environmental issues in our ever-changing world.

Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby TreeGuy » Dec 12th, 2017, 10:05 pm

The “Baby It’s Cold Outside” Christmas song came on the radio today. Listening to it I couldn’t help but wonder if the lyrics are all wrong in today’s world.

In the original lyrics does no mean no or is she just being coy?

coy (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring.

A version of the original song with lyrics



My politically correct version.

User avatar
TreeGuy
Moderator
 
Posts: 2227
Likes: 1073 posts
Liked in: 2169 posts
Joined: Oct 9th, 2005, 10:02 pm
Location: Westbank

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Queen K » Dec 13th, 2017, 11:58 am

A timely thread. Yes, this Christmas song is completely wrong for today's world. I wish people would stop playing it at all.

It's like "I'll Be Watching You" - catchy melody, completely about stalker behavior. Well Baby It's Cold Outside is predator behavior.

Catchy yes, but.
Our saddest days are when we add up our losses, and losses seem to be our saddest when we lose our best. Proud to be a "Leaf-licker" and I know who else is too. **smiles**
User avatar
Queen K
Queen of the Castle
 
Posts: 51798
Likes: 11447 posts
Liked in: 11952 posts
Joined: Jan 31st, 2007, 12:39 pm
Location: What? You mean here?

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Dec 13th, 2017, 12:19 pm

That I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus song has always creeped me out. Did the kid catch Santa giving it to his mom in the middle of the night or did the kid come across some weird role-playing fetish?

2 people like this post.
HorganIsMyHero
Board Meister
 
Posts: 448
Likes: 119 posts
Liked in: 234 posts
Joined: Aug 5th, 2017, 2:49 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby sobrohusfat » Dec 13th, 2017, 12:39 pm

lol - wrong for today's world ... *sigh*

So glad i was able to be young and free and slightly hedonistic in the 80's world

...when giving a weather report didn't have to trigger a panic meltdown
(even with the warm fire and sheepskin rug in the background)



Hey Queenie...there's a cold wind blowin' - ya better come'on in to my kitchen cause it's sure to be snowin' outdoors...

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain

Dizzy1 likes this post.
User avatar
sobrohusfat
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 4084
Likes: 1261 posts
Liked in: 1544 posts
Joined: Jul 2nd, 2008, 12:42 am

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Verum » Dec 13th, 2017, 1:04 pm


I'm conflicted, I don't have the same reaction to the song that some do, since I can relate to both sides, having been the pushy one and been the receiving end of it too, but it was always playful gentle persuasion, never threatening or demeaning. That said, I can see that some would interpret it as being aggressively pushy and applying inappropriate pressure.
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Explains why so few people reply to me, and why I might not reply

TreeGuy likes this post.
Verum
Generalissimo Postalot
 
Posts: 973
Likes: 411 posts
Liked in: 742 posts
Joined: Oct 6th, 2017, 12:31 am

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby TreeGuy » Dec 13th, 2017, 1:05 pm

I think it is unfortunate that we need to look at the world through such different lenses.

I believe that the "Baby It's Cold Outside" song is just a cute song with a bit of back and forth banter between the two. I believe that she is just being a bit coy as she doesn't want to come across as easy. He is just being persistent as he pursues a girl that he is attracted to but I guess that doesn't fly in today's world.

As a married man for the last 14 years I have no idea what courting looks like these days. I believe it has something to do with swiping left and right and then an activity known as Netflix and Chill. If I remember correctly 17 years ago when I met my soon to be bride, courtship involved me taking her out on dates. I would take her out and buy her dinner or take her to a play or movie. It also involved me getting creative and finding different things to do. I didn't have a vehicle when we met so it also involved me walking or taking her home by bus. One night we missed the last train so I walked her home across the city of Edmonton and then I walked home 40 blocks. (looking back Im lucky I didn't get mugged)

4 people like this post.
User avatar
TreeGuy
Moderator
 
Posts: 2227
Likes: 1073 posts
Liked in: 2169 posts
Joined: Oct 9th, 2005, 10:02 pm
Location: Westbank

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Piecemaker » Dec 13th, 2017, 4:33 pm

TreeGuy wrote:The “Baby It’s Cold Outside” Christmas song came on the radio today. Listening to it I couldn’t help but wonder if the lyrics are all wrong in today’s world.

In the original lyrics does no mean no or is she just being coy?

coy (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring.


My husband and I got together 18 years ago this month. That just happens to be "our" song! It's fun and romantic and we like the version sung by Dolly Parton and Rod Stewart best. We smile at each other every time we hear the song.
It's possible to do all the right things and still get a bad result.

3 people like this post.
User avatar
Piecemaker
Walks on Forum Water
 
Posts: 11472
Likes: 2037 posts
Liked in: 1520 posts
Joined: Jun 6th, 2007, 8:43 pm
Location: Kelowna

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Glacier » Dec 13th, 2017, 5:25 pm

TreeGuy wrote:The “Baby It’s Cold Outside” Christmas song came on the radio today. Listening to it I couldn’t help but wonder if the lyrics are all wrong in today’s world.

In the original lyrics does no mean no or is she just being coy?

coy (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring.

A version of the original song with lyrics

It musta been written by Roy Moore!

TreeGuy likes this post.
User avatar
Glacier
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 26768
Likes: 2819 posts
Liked in: 8945 posts
Joined: Jul 6th, 2008, 10:41 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 14th, 2017, 12:36 am

Such an offensive piece of cinema in this day and age ...



... Uncle Billy is clearly a pedophile :132:

Seriously, there is nothing wrong with the lyrics in the OPs link. The only thing that is wrong in todays world is that we have to try and make up some sort of social issue in everything we hear, say, see and do.
Nobody wants to hear your opinion. They just want to hear their own opinion coming out of your mouth.

3 people like this post.
Dizzy1
Walks on Forum Water
 
Posts: 10778
Likes: 4507 posts
Liked in: 5130 posts
Joined: Feb 12th, 2011, 2:56 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 14th, 2017, 10:09 am

The song Baby it's cold outside" seems to be pretty innocent. The most concerning part is that it encourages smoking, which is a widespread health risk today. Going out into cold, icy city streets ( while possibly inebriated) with probably no cabs available doesn't seem like a very safe plan. ANd it appears to be consensual.
Silverstarqueen
Guru
 
Posts: 7416
Likes: 708 posts
Liked in: 1876 posts
Joined: Jul 22nd, 2012, 8:02 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Silverstarqueen » Dec 14th, 2017, 10:18 am

TreeGuy wrote:The “Baby It’s Cold Outside” Christmas song came on the radio today. Listening to it I couldn’t help but wonder if the lyrics are all wrong in today’s world.

In the original lyrics does no mean no or is she just being coy?

coy (especially with reference to a woman) making a pretense of shyness or modesty that is intended to be alluring.

A version of the original song with lyrics

Glacier wrote:It musta been written by Roy Moore!


Roy Moore had a more effective tactic, just ask the parents if he can date their 14 -16 year old and with their permission, or provide a ride home from work, then, anything goes. I don't think any of his victims claimed he seranaded them into having sex with him.
Silverstarqueen
Guru
 
Posts: 7416
Likes: 708 posts
Liked in: 1876 posts
Joined: Jul 22nd, 2012, 8:02 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby just popping in » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:10 pm

I guess in this day and age most songs/books we grew up listening too/reading do not fit with today's society. We shouldn't continually analyze everything from the past to today's political environment. Let's just carry on and stop going too far in the overthinking, takes too much fun out of everything we knew and in our innocence enjoyed.

cubafreak likes this post.
just popping in
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2755
Likes: 191 posts
Liked in: 397 posts
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2011, 8:15 pm

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby GordonH » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:27 pm

just popping in wrote:I guess in this day and age most songs/books we grew up listening too/reading do not fit with today's society. We shouldn't continually analyze everything from the past to today's political environment. Let's just carry on and stop going too far in the overthinking, takes too much fun out of everything we knew and in our innocence enjoyed.


Yep, pretty well anywhere one would look hard enough, could probably find political incorrect.
Next up: 2018 Memorial Cup, May 17–27, 2018. Teams QJMHL Champions, OHL Champions, WHL Champions & Host Team/Regina Pats

cubafreak likes this post.
User avatar
GordonH
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 19682
Likes: 2148 posts
Liked in: 6744 posts
Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 7:21 pm
Location: Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby OldIslander » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:41 pm

In the Okanagan school system in the late-50's, my friends and I learned alternate lyrics to the Shepherd's carol:

As shepherds washed their socks by night
All seated on the ground
The Angel of the Lord came down
And passed the soap around.


We thought we were the funniest thing since Howdy Doodie....! :biggrin: [icon_lol2.gif]
"What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence". Christopher Hitchens

Catsumi likes this post.
User avatar
OldIslander
Fledgling
 
Posts: 332
Likes: 590 posts
Liked in: 427 posts
Joined: Apr 23rd, 2014, 10:48 am
Location: Vancouver Island

Re: Politically Incorrect Christmas Song

Postby Verum » Dec 14th, 2017, 9:22 pm

just popping in wrote:I guess in this day and age most songs/books we grew up listening too/reading do not fit with today's society. We shouldn't continually analyze everything from the past to today's political environment. Let's just carry on and stop going too far in the overthinking, takes too much fun out of everything we knew and in our innocence enjoyed.

There are things which were innocent but are deeply offensive. I learned the relatively offensive version of "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" and honestly, I don't think I, or those who taught it to me were being intentionally racist, but that doesn't mean that if you do teach your kids the offensive version, or even recite it today that you are not being so. Context matters and what was innocent at one time may be considered deeply offensive at another. This isn't a matter of overthinking things, this is a matter of being respectful. Honestly, the only people I hear complain about this one are those who are either closet racists, you know the kind, the ones who start sentences with "I'm not racist, but", or those who have no real idea of what it is like to be significantly discriminated against. Once upon a time this was innocent:
Image

That said, there are things which are taken too far and often ignorance or silly behaviour is mistaken for malice. It's not the word or words that matter, it's the context or intent:
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Explains why so few people reply to me, and why I might not reply

whatwhat likes this post.
Verum
Generalissimo Postalot
 
Posts: 973
Likes: 411 posts
Liked in: 742 posts
Joined: Oct 6th, 2017, 12:31 am

Next

Return to Social Concerns

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests