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Tired of Handouts

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby artistwithaflare » Dec 28th, 2017, 11:39 am

you say --every community offers rehab but the addicts need to do all the work--- god forbid they have to do something for themselves
you say --when the clean homeless come in for help they are terrified--- well you got that right, yes we should help the homeless, but the criminal
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the truth is....that's life! :up:
Yes, Addicts need to help themselves( I alluded to this in my original comment) BUT how can anyone help them self when they are drunk, or drugged up all the time?
Society will always have addictions becasue they are the vise for many who are looking for a happy high, in a dismal life.

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby wanderer » Dec 28th, 2017, 12:00 pm

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Just to get the record straight CPP is not a handout, nor is it funded by government. It is paid for by working people and their employers. It is our (working people) money and it is our right to collect it at retirement.


I was considering it a handout since it is similar to a tax on all who work. Some of us will get much more out of it than others since it is based not on what you put in but on your wealth and other investments when you retire. Also I put it in this category since it is the government that collects and manages the funds until they are paid out to the recipients.


Instead of thinking of CPP as a tax, or a handout, think of it as an investment that every worker makes in their future, because that is what it is. Too few people save for retirement especially when they are young and able, CPP ensures you will get all of that investment back when you are older and if you have worked. Also if you become disabled and have paid into it. CPP (pension) also can not be clawed back by companies, such as Sears, if they go bankrupt.

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby JLives » Dec 28th, 2017, 12:08 pm

I'm tired of handouts too. All of them. Get rid of them. Get rid of qualifiers. Get rid of the beauracy required.

And institute a gauranteed minimum income. Give our citizens stability and dignity to promote upward mobility.
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby the truth » Dec 28th, 2017, 12:16 pm

ya thats it gimme gimme gimme, every thing for free :200: :cuss:
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby stuphoto » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:18 pm

Why am I suddenly remembering the advice my mom gave me when I was 12.

Rather than waste your energy complaining, work on finding a solution. :135:
You will be happier in the long run.

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby JayByrd » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:21 pm

Jonrox wrote:If the handouts were cutoff, I think a lot of you would be surprised at how much more you would in fact start paying as the long-term ramifications of doing so would eventually take hold. Healthcare and legal costs alone would skyrocket and you'd see an increase to your tax bill... not the other way around.


There are some in our community, including on this board, who think that cutting off services to the homeless will make them simply disappear. Like they'll just wander off into the woods and we'll never see them again. Human beings, including the homeless, have a real knack for staying alive though.
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in his shoes
'cause then you really might know what it's like to sing the blues.

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby the truth » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:38 pm

stuphoto wrote:Why am I suddenly remembering the advice my mom gave me when I was 12.

Rather than waste your energy complaining, work on finding a solution. :135:
You will be happier in the long run.

you are correct, then need to stop complaining that they want everything for free,
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby the truth » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:40 pm

JayByrd wrote:
Jonrox wrote:If the handouts were cutoff, I think a lot of you would be surprised at how much more you would in fact start paying as the long-term ramifications of doing so would eventually take hold. Healthcare and legal costs alone would skyrocket and you'd see an increase to your tax bill... not the other way around.


There are some in our community, including on this board, who think that cutting off services to the homeless will make them simply disappear. Like they'll just wander off into the woods and we'll never see them again. Human beings, including the homeless, have a real knack for staying alive though.


its not about the homeless, its about the useless homeless criminal junkies that want it all
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby JayByrd » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:44 pm

the truth wrote:
its not about the homeless, its about the useless homeless criminal junkies that want it all


The criminal junkies who do have homes, do a lot more damage around here than the ones living on the streets.
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby the truth » Dec 28th, 2017, 3:02 pm

JayByrd wrote:
the truth wrote:
its not about the homeless, its about the useless homeless criminal junkies that want it all


The criminal junkies who do have homes, do a lot more damage around here than the ones living on the streets.


all one and the same, they all cause damage ,
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 28th, 2017, 4:29 pm

JayByrd wrote:
Jonrox wrote:If the handouts were cutoff, I think a lot of you would be surprised at how much more you would in fact start paying as the long-term ramifications of doing so would eventually take hold. Healthcare and legal costs alone would skyrocket and you'd see an increase to your tax bill... not the other way around.


There are some in our community, including on this board, who think that cutting off services to the homeless will make them simply disappear. Like they'll just wander off into the woods and we'll never see them again. Human beings, including the homeless, have a real knack for staying alive though.


This is a good point. Towns that offer zero services for homeless tend to have less homeless.
Lloydminster comes to mind. No homeless people there really. No services for them .

Here we have lots of handouts so we get homeless people. I guess its something to feel good about. We help our own.

Be nice if Leon didnt look like a war zone though
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby dirtybiker » Dec 28th, 2017, 4:50 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:
This is a good point. Towns that offer zero services for homeless tend to have less homeless.
Here we have lots of handouts so we get homeless people.


And in turn have to pay for the entire Countries homeless with only local tax monies.
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby Bsuds » Dec 28th, 2017, 4:51 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:Lloydminster comes to mind. No homeless people there really. No services for them .


As well as it's -26 in Lloydminster. Where would you rather be? It's cold enough here.
Deja Poo, the feeling I've heard all this crap before!

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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 28th, 2017, 5:13 pm

Bsuds wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:Lloydminster comes to mind. No homeless people there really. No services for them .


As well as it's -26 in Lloydminster. Where would you rather be? It's cold enough here.



There are homeless in Yellowknife though. Lots of services there. Lots of homeless. The weather only explains part of it. There are many factors at play. Dirty biker is right as well we are paying locally for a national issue.
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Re: Tired of Handouts

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 28th, 2017, 6:38 pm

the truth wrote:ya thats it gimme gimme gimme, every thing for free :200: :cuss:

If you dont like itbmove to dofferent country .its the way addiction is going to be dealt with and homelessness from now on . Crying on a forum does nothing but make yourself look silly
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