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How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby vegas1500 » Dec 31st, 2017, 11:22 am

Interesting article.... not meant to start another oil sands bashing thread so please don’t.....



https://context.capp.ca/infographics/20 ... pply-chain

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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Snman » Dec 31st, 2017, 11:58 am

Thanx for posting that. All Canadians need to become aware of the benefits of Alberta's oil to the ENTIRE country.

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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Smurf » Dec 31st, 2017, 6:43 pm

I'm sure oil's days are limited but in the mean time all Canadians should know how we benefit from the oilfields/oil sands. It's amazing when you figure that article just talks about spin offs and not direct things like jobs in the oil fields, taxes and the many other benefits that we all also benefit from in one way or another.
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Bsuds » Dec 31st, 2017, 6:47 pm

There are over 6000 things made from oil so I don't think we are going to be without it for a very long time.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of- ... -crude-oil
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Corneliousrooster » Jan 1st, 2018, 9:59 am

Now subtract the gov't subsidies to the oil companies....... It is really not that impressive.
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby seewood » Jan 1st, 2018, 10:18 am

Good to see.
And as usual we have : https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#215146 Ever think he knows where the money comes from that is paid to his compatriots?
The oil sands are a benefit to this country and we need to sell the stuff off shore to really benefit. I'd like to see the bitumen up-graded in Canada though before selling out of country.
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Corneliousrooster » Jan 1st, 2018, 10:36 am

[quote="seewood]we need to sell the stuff off shore to really benefit.[/quote]


Extracting oil in the most expensive way possible and then shipping it to the other side of the planet.......seems logical
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby vegas1500 » Jan 1st, 2018, 10:49 am

Corneliousrooster wrote:[quote="seewood]we need to sell the stuff off shore to really benefit.[/quote]


Extracting oil in the most expensive way possible and then shipping it to the other side of the planet.......seems logical[/quote]


So you’re against the oil sands.....where do you live? Just curious.
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Corneliousrooster » Jan 1st, 2018, 11:06 am

vegas1500 wrote:
So you’re against the oil sands.....where do you live? Just curious.


Irrelevant - I would be against this if ANY country thought this was a good idea, just embarrassed that it is mine.

Human nature is the path of least resistance and the fear of change - I get that. Just tired of the same defeatist arguements like " do you drive?" "Do you use plastic?" " if you do you can't argue against it". - I am a product of the world that I was brought up in and still I can see the stupidity of it and refuse to condone it, even if it needs to be tolerated for the time being. I just hope the next generation is not as ethically bankrupt as mine and the ones before me. What a mess we are continuing to pass down the line. But yeah let's collectively pat ourselves on the back because some gloves are made in bc that are used in the oilfields so the economic benefits must outweigh the lack of logic or evolution ...
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Ka-El » Jan 1st, 2018, 11:41 am

Corneliousrooster wrote: Human nature is the path of least resistance and the fear of change - I get that. Just tired of the same defeatist arguements like " do you drive?" "Do you use plastic?" " if you do you can't argue against it". - I am a product of the world that I was brought up in and still I can see the stupidity of it and refuse to condone it, even if it needs to be tolerated for the time being. I just hope the next generation is not as ethically bankrupt as mine and the ones before me. What a mess we are continuing to pass down the line.

Good post Cornelious, and you make some very good points. I wholeheartedly agree that ongoing evolution is inevitable, and that humankind will ultimately have to find a way to exist and prosper without the use of fossil fuels, and just as (if not more) importantly, its by-products (some of which that are allowing us to engage in this very exercise). It may be (is) an environmentally destructive endeavor, but like you have noted, “it needs to be tolerated for the time being”. Unfortunately, the reality is (I believe) that we will be dependent, in different ways and to varying degrees, on oil and its by-products for many years yet, decades even. I’m not suggesting we don’t explore and develop alternatives, but let’s not cut off our noses to spite our face. We need a plan and we need to commit to that plan, but for more than a couple decades yet we are going to be needing oil. The oil sands are important to Canadians. What we should focus on for now (again – my opinion) is ensuring we extract, transport and refine all the products in the safest (pipelines instead of trains, for example) manner possible.
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby jimmy4321 » Jan 2nd, 2018, 6:04 am

I can live with fuel efficient or alternative fuel vehicles, but especially this time of year i can't live without Saran Wrap!
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Silverstarqueen » Jan 2nd, 2018, 7:43 am

As soon as we have viable, efficient substitutes for all the things oil provides, this will be a moot point.
In the meantime we are still very dependent, oil products exist for a reason. No sense in getting in a lather, but we do need to heat a cold country , we still need fuel for transport, and a million manufactured products. Just give us an alternative for these and I am in.

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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Corneliousrooster » Jan 2nd, 2018, 8:57 am

Silverstarqueen wrote:and a million manufactured products. Just give us an alternative for these and I am in.


Reduce/Reuse/Recycle is a good start - a culture of entitlement has the majority of people buying everything new - 90% of the crap on the dollar stores shelves is crappy plastic - most kids toys are crappy plastic (and then the kids prefer to play with the packaging more than the contents) -

The culture of blind consumerism with no consequences is probably a bigger problem than the fuel pig trucks driving all over the place (that are also luxuries, not necessities in the vast majority of cases).

Supply and demand - as long as the consumer habit is to make vapid purchases there will be companies producing products to fill the demand.

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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby Smurf » Jan 2nd, 2018, 9:04 am

I agree Silverstarqueen but it has to be viable alternatives that don't turn us into a third world country. There are some alternatives out there but so far they are out of reach for the average Canadian. We have to do this properly to look after all aspects of Canadian life .
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Re: How the OIL SANDS benefits all of Canada

Postby spooker » Jan 2nd, 2018, 1:41 pm

As long as we default to the convenience of products coming from oil there won't be much pressure to develop alternatives that are realistic and viable ...

We have to take responsibility for the situation we're in ... we've taken the easy route through life and it's beginning to bite us in the behind ...

We let corporations be only beholden to their shareholders ... we demand lower prices ... no one wins ...

Sure, I'm being a bit glib and generalizing, but between the firestorms of the summer and the snowmaggedons of winter I think we need to start using our noodles ... not just instinctively buy into the consumerism that drives the cycle ...

Did anyone notice how the original article that OP posted was created by the petroleum producers? Don't they want to be on our good side? Let's just talk about how we're addicted and how it's good for us :up:
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