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(Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medication

Postby Thinktank » Feb 16th, 2018, 2:47 pm

Mainstream media will never talk about THIS aspect of virtually every shooting because Big Pharma is their sponsor. But buried in a local report of background on the alleged Parkland shooter is a family member saying he was on meds for his emotional/mental issues. A caller, Liz, explains how SSRIs radically altered her daughter & nearly destroyed her life when a college gave her the drugs without her knowledge or approval and another caller, Anne, explains how SSRIs work & how they’ve been involved in shootings.

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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Fancy » Feb 16th, 2018, 3:42 pm

Where's your link to confirm the shooter was on medication?
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby mysideofthings » Feb 16th, 2018, 4:03 pm

he was adopted, had pre-existing mental health issues, and lost both adoptive parents. i would look at the bigger picture and other factors before trying to blame an alleged psych med on why he chose to do what he did. clearly, he should have gotten better help early on, and to blame a psych med on it is ridiculous.

the majority of people on psych meds NEVER commit crimes like this and are more prone to harming themselves. there is also that potential for people who do not take meds. it's not psych meds that 'make' a person do it. it is ignorant to think that. in some cases, yes, some meds can exacerbate pre-existing mental health issues or self-harm/suicidal urges/behaviors, but they still are one part of a larger picture.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Gixxer » Feb 17th, 2018, 7:05 am

SSRI do cause irreversible side effects. All to often Doctors use meds when a person is feeling down instead of dealing with the root cause.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby johnny24 » Feb 17th, 2018, 9:02 am

Gixxer wrote:SSRI do cause irreversible side effects. All to often Doctors use meds when a person is feeling down instead of dealing with the root cause.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Thinktank » Feb 17th, 2018, 9:34 am

Fancy wrote:Where's your link to confirm the shooter was on medication?


The website PsychDrugShooters.com details over 100 school shootings carried out by individuals who were taking psychiatric medications.


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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Fancy » Feb 17th, 2018, 12:45 pm

Thinktank wrote:The website PsychDrugShooters.com details over 100 school shootings carried out by individuals who were taking psychiatric medications.

That's not an answer.
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Postby Omnitheo » Feb 17th, 2018, 12:49 pm

That’s like quoting dogsbite.org

In a country where millions of people take medications, and mass shootings happen every day. You are bound to get some crossover. Law of Numbers
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Feb 17th, 2018, 2:45 pm

SSRI medications regulate Serotonin levels to help make people feel less distressed. Serotonin doesn't make people pick up a gun and become mass murderers. I take an SSRI and I've never even thought about somehow getting hold of a gun and shooting people.

Did all of these shooters drink water? Quick, someone write an article that water causes people to become mass murderers.

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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 17th, 2018, 3:06 pm

Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on – or just recently coming off of – psychiatric medications. A few of the most high-profile examples, out of many others, include:

Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s one in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Illinois, killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
In another famous case, 47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in a bathtub. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change.And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” – murderous thoughts – as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.
One more case is instructive, that of 12-year-old Christopher Pittman, who struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept and then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication,” since his doctors had him taking the antidepressants Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders.
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Paxil-TWPaxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others. The preceding examples are only a few of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others.

Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness. Remember, every single SSRI antidepressant sold in the United States of America today, no matter what brand or manufacturer, bears a “black box” FDA warning label – the government’s most serious drug warning – of “increased risks of suicidal thinking and behavior, known as suicidality, in young adults ages 18 to 24.” Common sense tells us that where there are suicidal thoughts – especially in a very, very angry person – homicidal thoughts may not be far behind. Indeed, the mass shooters we are describing often take their own lives when the police show up, having planned their suicide ahead of time.


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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Feb 17th, 2018, 7:50 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/marvin-ross/antipyschotics-school-shootings_b_2467182.html

The Treatment Advocacy Center in the U.S. has done a backgrounder on the topic of violence and schizophrenia looking at all studies around the world on the subject. They conclude that "a small number of individuals with serious mental illnesses commit acts of violence, including 5 - 10 per cent of all homicides. Almost all of these acts of violence are committed by individuals who are not being treated, and many such individuals are also abusing alcohol or drugs."


They cite 12 studies that demonstrate that most acts of violence are committed by people who are not being treated. The most recent study, from 2010, showed that most acts were carried out during the person's first psychotic episode before they were treated.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby WeatherWoman » Feb 17th, 2018, 10:24 pm

Evidence-Based food for thought:

Mass Shootings and
Mental Illness

James L. Knoll IV, M.D.
George D. Annas, M.D., M.P.H.

Common Misperceptions

-Mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent the
most significant relationship between gun violence and mental illness.

-People with serious mental illness should be considered dangerous.

-Gun laws focusing on people with mental illness or with a psychiatric
diagnosis can effectively prevent mass shootings.

-Gun laws focusing on people with mental illness or a psychiatric diag-
nosis are reasonable, even if they add to the stigma already associated
with mental illness.

vs.

Evidence-Based Facts

-Mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent less
than 1% of all yearly gun-related homicides. In contrast, deaths by
suicide using firearms account for the majority of yearly gun-related
deaths.

-The overall contribution of people with serious mental illness to vio-
lent crimes is only about 3%. When these crimes are examined in de-
tail, an even smaller percentage of them are found to involve firearms.

-Laws intended to reduce gun violence that focus on a population rep-
resenting less than 3% of all gun violence will be extremely low yield,
ineffective, and wasteful of scarce resources. Perpetrators of mass
shootings are unlikely to have a history of involuntary psychiatric hos-
pitalization. Thus, databases intended to restrict access to guns and
established by guns laws that broadly target people with mental ill-
ness will not capture this group of individuals.

-Gun restriction laws focusing on people with mental illness perpetu-
ate the myth that mental illness leads to violence, as well as the mis-
perception that gun violence and mental illness are strongly linked.
Stigma represents a major barrier to access and treatment of mental
illness, which in turn increases the public health burden.

Copyright © 2016 American Psychiatric Association Publishing. All Rights Reserved.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Ka-El » Feb 18th, 2018, 6:24 am

Fancy wrote:Where's your link to confirm the shooter was on medication?

Actually, his defense is claiming he had stopped taking his medication.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 18th, 2018, 7:50 am

Ka-El wrote:
Fancy wrote:Where's your link to confirm the shooter was on medication?

Actually, his defense is claiming he had stopped taking his medication.


Either way. Nearly every one of these zombie shooter types is always doped to the gills on psychotropic meds.
I think its part of a mind control program. Like the guy who shot Ronald Ragan in the 80s.
Too many of these shooters appear to gave high level government connections.

The current protests in Florida appear to be complete astro turfing. Trying to make it look as if people want to be forcefully disarmed .

No people do not want to give up guns .

Support gun rights.

Shame on Obama Soros Bloomberg Clinton Schumer and all the RINO scum calling for the elimination of so called assualt rifles.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Thinktank » Feb 18th, 2018, 10:04 am

Here' something that is right on topic:

We all know that not everyone with a problem goes to a doctor for medication. Most people just deal with their problems themselves. Probably only half the people with a problem, go for medication. the other 50% treat themselves.

There are 40 million Americans taking antidepressants, the same medication the Florida school shooter was taking.
That means millions of other depressed Americans are not taking antidepressants. So you would expect the number of school shooters taking medication to be less than 50%, which would prove the medications are doing some good. But the exact opposite is true - nearly 100% of school shooters were taking medication.

What does that tell us?
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