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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 18th, 2018, 9:51 pm

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-I think you've been reading too many anti-psychiatrist websites and or believing stories from people who think psychiatrists are secretly demons

-Please do a simple Google search and learn what services psychiatrists offer. There's a whole health center downtown that largely has psychiatrists and other doctors / nurses helping people in various group sessions[/quote]


I can only comment on what ive seen. Probably 20 percent of boys in my grades growing up were on ritalin. No reason for that. Im not saying all shrinks are bad. Just that a lot of un needed meds are being handed out for dubious reasons. These people despite what they claim are not medical doctors.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby foodsmith » Feb 19th, 2018, 8:36 am

Thinktank wrote:
Fancy wrote:Where's your link to confirm the shooter was on medication?


The website PsychDrugShooters.com details over 100 school shootings carried out by individuals who were taking psychiatric medications.

http://www.psychdrugshooters.com/catego ... shootings/


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Seems legit. :200:
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Feb 19th, 2018, 8:40 am

Jflem1983 wrote:I can only comment on what ive seen. Probably 20 percent of boys in my grades growing up were on ritalin. No reason for that. Im not saying all shrinks are bad. Just that a lot of un needed meds are being handed out for dubious reasons. These people despite what they claim are not medical doctors.


Ritalin isn't an SSRI.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Thinktank » Feb 19th, 2018, 9:03 am

Whether we like to admit it or not, it is undeniable that when certain people living on the edge of sanity take psychiatric medications, those drugs can – and occasionally do – push them over the edge into violent madness.


#3 Americans account for about five percent of the global population, but we buy more than 50 percent of the pharmaceutical drugs.


^^^ that says everything right there.

but the sheeple won't get it. Ever.

#19 If all of these antidepressants are helping, then why are more Americans killing themselves? The suicide rate for Americans between the ages of 35 and 64 increased by nearly 30 percent between 1999 and 2010. The number of Americans that die by suicide is now greater than the number of Americans that die as a result of car accidents every year.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/making-mo ... re/5399444
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 19th, 2018, 2:56 pm

Thinktank wrote:Here' something that is right on topic:

We all know that not everyone with a problem goes to a doctor for medication. Most people just deal with their problems themselves. Probably only half the people with a problem, go for medication. the other 50% treat themselves.

There are 40 million Americans taking antidepressants, the same medication the Florida school shooter was taking.
That means millions of other depressed Americans are not taking antidepressants. So you would expect the number of school shooters taking medication to be less than 50%, which would prove the medications are doing some good. But the exact opposite is true - nearly 100% of school shooters were taking medication.

What does that tell us?


You aren't counting the millions of americans who take antidepressants and don't shoot anyone. There are many troubled people, and many people with mental illness. A very small percentage of those are going to get their hands on a gun and kill someone. Not really anything to do with their medication, except that it doesn't work for everyone either. It is not a guarantee that a person will be fine and not act out in some way. It is well known however that access to guns does indeed increase the chances that someone might use a gun to kill someone else or themselves.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Thinktank » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:08 pm

What Dr. Manny is saying is right on the money here. He’s not claiming that psychiatric drugs alone can transform people into crazy killers, but when they are consumed by people who are already near the breaking point with rage, hatred, racism, anti-American sentiment (Roof was a flag burner who hated America) and other forms of suppressed rage, they can push people over the edge and unleash their “inner killer.” Combine that with illegal access to guns, and you have a “perfect storm” for mass casualties. (Roof had a felony charge pending, so he could not legally purchase a gun from a gun shop, by the way.)

Psych drugs, in other words, are the “activation switch” for unleashing a violent, murderous rage in some individuals. And because psychiatric drugs are so commonly prescribed to tens of millions of people, it’s a daily roll of the dice that’s almost begging for more violence and mass killings across America, none of which the liberal media dare link to psychiatric drugs, of course, because that would distract from their own narrative that guns alone are to blame for these events.

Point in fact: No gun has ever pulled its own trigger.

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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:17 pm

Thinktank wrote:
#3 Americans account for about five percent of the global population, but we buy more than 50 percent of the pharmaceutical drugs.


^^^ that says everything right there.

but the sheeple won't get it. Ever.

#19 If all of these antidepressants are helping, then why are more Americans killing themselves? The suicide rate for Americans between the ages of 35 and 64 increased by nearly 30 percent between 1999 and 2010. The number of Americans that die by suicide is now greater than the number of Americans that die as a result of car accidents every year.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/making-mo ... re/5399444


The use of street drugs has also increased dramatically , so who is to say that addiction to these were not to blame for the increase in suicides? There were also a lot of returnees from the very long war effort, coming home with PTSD, could also have contributed to suicides.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby HorganIsMyHero » Feb 19th, 2018, 11:19 pm

Thinktank wrote:Psych drugs, in other words, are the “activation switch” for unleashing a violent, murderous rage in some individuals. And because psychiatric drugs are so commonly prescribed to tens of millions of people, it’s a daily roll of the dice that’s almost begging for more violence and mass killings across America, none of which the liberal media dare link to psychiatric drugs, of course, because that would distract from their own narrative that guns alone are to blame for these events.


It's sort of sad that all these topics with black and white thinking always trash liberals or the liberal media.

If psychiatric drugs were acting as kill switches to turn people into murderers something would have been done a long time ago. Keep in mind that a lot of distressed individuals who take psychiatric meds mix them with copious amounts of booze, cocaine, and god knows what else. It'd be practically impossible to tell which killers were "only" taking psych meds and didn't shoot up with a million grams of heroin or whatever other drug before blasting up a school. I'm just guessing, but individuals distressed enough to go shoot a bunch of people probably take waaay more than the prescribed amount of psych meds as well in order to attempt to calm down or feel better faster which can cause some serious problems. Basically any medication or drug taken in excess is going to royally screw with a person's ability to think.

If you actually bother to look at clinical trials, even ones done here in Kelowna, none of the mentally-ill people on psych meds are going around on mass murder sprees.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Fancy » Feb 20th, 2018, 1:56 pm

Thinktank wrote:The website PsychDrugShooters.com details over 100 school shootings carried out by individuals who were taking psychiatric medications.

Actually the first few were off their meds or taking too many.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Ka-El » Feb 20th, 2018, 2:42 pm

Fancy wrote:
Thinktank wrote:The website PsychDrugShooters.com details over 100 school shootings carried out by individuals who were taking psychiatric medications.

Actually the first few were off their meds or taking too many.

Risperidone (as one example) is the most commonly used anti-psychotic medication, and it has allowed many thousands of schizophrenics and people suffering from severe post-traumatic stress disorder to live lives free from (or at least manageable) hallucinations and delusions. Unfortunately, treating these disorders is still not an exact science but we are getting better at it all the time. While the science is not exact, and everyone responds individually, the rate of successful treatment is very high. The idea of telling people who suffer from these disorders not to try this life changing medication is not only punishing to them, but their families as well (and maybe even the communities they live in). I can only hope most people will look to the science and not be swayed by some blogger with some twisted agenda posting from his mother’s basement.


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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Thinktank » Feb 20th, 2018, 4:56 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd3_Iq8P3Fo&t=2722s

^ Psych-Drugs Harm - One: Robert Whitaker
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Fancy » Feb 21st, 2018, 7:07 am

That had nothing to do with your claim that the Florida shoot was ON medication.

However:

When it came to schizophrenia and antipsychotic drugs, however, Whitaker got it mostly wrong. He made so many errors it is difficult to know where to begin, so I will begin where he did.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/ ... -news/2084
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 21st, 2018, 7:15 am

It's not the taking of the drugs....it's the sudden stopping of the drugs, that causes the harm.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Gixxer » Feb 21st, 2018, 5:34 pm

alanjh595 wrote:It's not the taking of the drugs....it's the sudden stopping of the drugs, that causes the harm.


So why do people suddenly stop taking them? The irreversible side effects of some of these drugs is crime in itself.
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Re: (Take your Meds) Florida school shooter was on medicatio

Postby Fancy » Feb 21st, 2018, 6:02 pm

Various reasons - cost - feel they don't need them - forget to take them.
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