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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 8:43 pm

'MAPearce'...did you have to pay support for any that were not yours? That happens a lot. Also multiple support payments from multiple payers going to one person.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby Temet Nosce » Feb 19th, 2018, 10:21 pm

oldtrucker wrote:There should be no family law. A person should be only able to take what they brought in.
This thread is really not about how many houses a person (men) have lost, it's actually a shadow of the other topics being discussed. Feminist movement, #metoo and the others. It's about equality,inequality and a certain gender being omnipotent in a family law arena. People jawjack about being equal. There is no equality.



Didn't lose the house...but does having to pay out a very large sum of money to keep a house that I solely owned and paid PRIOR to a few year relationship count?
You are very naive if you think only men unfairly lose assests in relationships....

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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 11:00 pm

[Didn't lose the house...but does having to pay out a very large sum of money to keep a house that I solely owned and paid PRIOR to a few year relationship count?
You are very naive if you think only men unfairly lose assests in relationships....[/quote]

How the heck does that go down? You owned the asset and it was aquired before the co-habitating relationship? How recent?
Sounds fubar to me.Totally wrong.
Ya your right men are not the only victims of the family law system(ever noticed that the words 'system' and 'Canada' equals a fail?). For the most part though 'Temet' ,you have to admit that the majority of the victims of the family law system(s)(across Canada and provincially) are men.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 11:19 pm

I will retract my statement on 'there should be no family law', and replace with how I think things should go down.

1.No alimony for anyone .Ever.
2.Assets divided per individual contribution.
3.Child support based on how much it costs to raise a child in a particular area of Canada per month-divided by 2,regardless of income.
Unless adopted, support for bio children only.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby lesliepaul » Feb 20th, 2018, 2:16 am

If you were fairly young, say in your 30's, heck, make that your 50's, married and it all went south for you and that relationship I would seriously consider NEVER cohabitating with any woman ever again. I knew a lot of co-workers that got taken to the cleaners (no kids involved) and what did they do........got married again and guess what.........lost most of the property a second time. Now they are fighting for their company pension 20 years later. :cuss: the courts in this country!

One friends buddy was very wealthy (multi, multi millions), married with two kids, gets divorced in his 40's. Paid his wife millions and looked after the kids.....no problem. From then on several girl friends and finally one that was around for years. The rules he set for her were she had to have her own place (house or apartment) in her name and that was where EVERY piece of her mail had to be delivered. He let her use his vehicles, he paid for the vacations, he let her stay at his place quite often but could not leave ANY clothing there and bought plenty of gifts and dinners.........pretty good deal for her BUT she understood they were ONLY casual friends . There was never any connection she could use if the friendship went south to extort any money. He died several years ago and the millions that was left ALL went to his children. The girlfriend had a great time for close to 10 years.

Just remember that scene in "Something About Mary"..........."never leave the house with a loaded gun"...........truer words have never be spoken. "Put it on hand throw" and when your done pull out your wallet and have a look.........ITS ALL THERE! Then carry on with your day.

Don't think it is written anywhere that says a man was put on this earth to ensure a woman could sit on her a$$ all day then decide to move on to the next guy but only after eviscerating the first guy financially.

Do not get me wrong here, a strong, happy and loving relationship is everyone's goal and there are many of those. One is enough for a lifetime though. I will also add that some of the guys I knew were complete a$$ :cuss: when they were married and I was cheering for their wives at divorce time.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby Temet Nosce » Feb 20th, 2018, 12:31 pm

oldtrucker wrote:How the heck does that go down? You owned the asset and it was aquired before the co-habitating relationship? How recent?
Sounds fubar to me.Totally wrong.
Ya your right men are not the only victims of the family law system(ever noticed that the words 'system' and 'Canada' equals a fail?). For the most part though 'Temet' ,you have to admit that the majority of the victims of the family law system(s)(across Canada and provincially) are men.



I don't have much time to post so quick comment... I do agree there are historical bias in the legal system favoring women and have personally seen some shocking unfair cases for men--absolutely. I think there has been some change but we have a ways to go--especially with regard to child custody/access and child support--IMO laws should default 50/50 unless there legitimate concerns for best interest of the child etc. Having said that, you can believe my story or not, but yes I owned outright before cohabitating (and before the family law changes) and was basically extorted to settle or pay half the 'inflated' value of property (and incur further legal fees) which would have only cost more. Live and learn.. :130:
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 20th, 2018, 12:40 pm

There is also a thing called a 'cohabitation agreement' that each person goes to their own lawyer and has drawn up. It costs $1200-$1600 each.
A cohabitation agreement is only good if the relationship is carried out to the letter of that agreement. For example-If along the way, a person pays for "the support and maintenance" of a child that the other partner has, the agreement is no good anymore. That's right ,even if the kid is starving...you don't dare pay a cent. Even if you wanted to help,the system is so corrupt that a person deosn't dare,as that person will be on the hook for support payments.
The Family law system turns nice ,helpful people that only have the best intentions,into cold,restricted players in a sick twisted system. Because of the system,some children that could have totally awesome stepdads,wont have that pleasure because it's to dangerous for anyone to take that role.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 20th, 2018, 12:45 pm

Temet Nosce wrote:
oldtrucker wrote:How the heck does that go down? You owned the asset and it was aquired before the co-habitating relationship? How recent?
Sounds fubar to me.Totally wrong.
Ya your right men are not the only victims of the family law system(ever noticed that the words 'system' and 'Canada' equals a fail?). For the most part though 'Temet' ,you have to admit that the majority of the victims of the family law system(s)(across Canada and provincially) are men.



I don't have much time to post so quick comment... I do agree there are historical bias in the legal system favoring women and have personally seen some shocking unfair cases for men--absolutely. I think there has been some change but we have a ways to go--especially with regard to child custody/access and child support--IMO laws should default 50/50 unless there legitimate concerns for best interest of the child etc. Having said that, you can believe my story or not, but yes I owned outright before cohabitating (and before the family law changes) and was basically extorted to settle or pay half the 'inflated' value of property (and incur further legal fees) which would have only cost more. Live and learn.. :130:


'I never said that I don't believe you 'Temet'-cause the EXACT same extortion happened to me. I promise I'll sign a co-hab agreement if we ever get together.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby MAPearce » Feb 20th, 2018, 5:50 pm

oldtrucker wrote:'MAPearce'...did you have to pay support for any that were not yours? That happens a lot. Also multiple support payments from multiple payers going to one person.


Yes and no .... I'm paying to help support kids that I'm a step dad too. Glad to do it also !!

Nothing better in life than to have a "baby girl" to drive you NUTS with all the "girly" things while I try to make sense of it all .. The other is a boy but I'm well versed in raising those.

The money I spend is well worth the life lessons I'm getting AND I won't go grey. I'll go bald first...

I can't see this relationship going south , ever , but if it does I'll be there for these two till I'm dust..

It's what I do .
I payed attention in High school....But not to what they were trying to teach me..

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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby Tack » Feb 21st, 2018, 12:11 am

oldtrucker wrote:I will retract my statement on 'there should be no family law', and replace with how I think things should go down.

1.No alimony for anyone .Ever.
2.Assets divided per individual contribution.
3.Child support based on how much it costs to raise a child in a particular area of Canada per month-divided by 2,regardless of income.
Unless adopted, support for bio children only.


I don't believe #2 is right. So your wife has to stop working to take care of your children as many woman still do. Suddenly she is not contributing a dollar value, but isn't her time with the children worth something? Now you get to keep the house and all the cash because she didn't contribute any money to it? Or is there a value you place on her time as an "individual contribution" and does that match your hourly wage? Many woman spend much of their peak working years raising children setting them back a huge chunk and possibly never recovering to where they could have been without children. The male gets to work and get promoted and is making all the money. Somehow the woman should have to go to a minimum wage job and live in an apartment with roommates?

Think of it from both points of view, it may seem unfair to "lose half your stuff" but in reality you made the choice to build that life together. Get a separation agreement done next time before you decide the other person who didn't make as much money doesn't deserve to be compensated.

Furthermore, I'm not saying that there aren't woman who take advantage of the situation, but they can't be generalized as a whole.

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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 21st, 2018, 7:49 am

What I mean with that is all contributions including raising children and other unlisted factors. Getting half(or whatever) of the ranch because a person had a co-hab relationship for whatever amount of time is not right.
A person that quantifies raising children as a dollar amount may want to do a rethink on reproducing.
All I am saying is make it fair-so that one person is not a financial hostage of the other, and not giving any money to lawyers that could have been spent on the children or,- the repair of the lives of the partners that were in the relationship.
Under the current system, government, not individuals, are the ones dictating the terms of how we raise children, and, the terms of how we end relationships.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby dirtybiker » Feb 21st, 2018, 9:23 am

I somewhat willingly gave up my house and property to my kidlet
and her Mom.
No restrictions, no lawyers, no battles.

Their welfare/well being is still my responsibility, always will be.


I have met a few gals that have two, three, and four houses and property.
They also have two, three, and four ex's....Connection ?
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 21st, 2018, 6:14 pm

I have met a few gals that have two, three, and four houses and property.
They also have two, three, and four ex's....Connection ?[/quote]

Completely legal theft and fraud. Oh!...here comes a free meal ticket that will last for years...all I have to do is wiggle [email protected]$$ ,and stay in for 2 years plus one day.Cha-Ching$$$
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 25th, 2018, 9:30 am

oldtrucker wrote:What I mean with that is all contributions including raising children and other unlisted factors. Getting half(or whatever) of the ranch because a person had a co-hab relationship for whatever amount of time is not right.
A person that quantifies raising children as a dollar amount may want to do a rethink on reproducing.
All I am saying is make it fair-so that one person is not a financial hostage of the other, and not giving any money to lawyers that could have been spent on the children or,- the repair of the lives of the partners that were in the relationship.
Under the current system, government, not individuals, are the ones dictating the terms of how we raise children, and, the terms of how we end relationships.


If the two parties come up with an equitable agreement, which does not have to be extremely expensive unless they draw it out, the government does not interfere.
Thank goodness however that there are processes in place tho for those who can't seem to work this out between themselves.

And there are guys who try to work the system too, I have seen this in a couple of family members' relationships. So this is not a gender thing. In the majority of cases the mother is doing most of the care before and after the split, so not surprisingly most of the resources go to whoever is doing that, so kids don't have to go into poverty just because their parents can't get their sh#t together.
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Re: How many houses have you lost?

Postby Silverstarqueen » Feb 25th, 2018, 9:36 am

dirtybiker wrote:I somewhat willingly gave up my house and property to my kidlet
and her Mom.
No restrictions, no lawyers, no battles.

Their welfare/well being is still my responsibility, always will be.


I have met a few gals that have two, three, and four houses and property.
They also have two, three, and four ex's....Connection ?


I bought my own first home. I still have property. No ex's. Connection?
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