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Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby CapitalB » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:43 pm

In this era increasingly interconnected networked globalized people and economies do you think that will be a thing?

For example, star trek wrote humanity forming a cooperative world government sometimes in the 2100's. In our now time real world usually when people talk about a world government we're about to board the conspiracy train to crazy town, or its time for a tirade on the evils of globalization.

Setting aside big brother, our corporate overlords, the illuminati, the bilderbergs, and the snake people. Is this a possible future for humanity?

Are there reasons other than jingoism, nationalism, racism, or other prejudices to be afraid of something like that?

What do you think?

PS: I took a gamble on placing this in social concerns over conspiracy theories because I wanted to talk about the politics of the subject and not get weighed down with the crazy.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby gman313 » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:53 pm

Personally I have found the trend is moving towards national protectionism. To me this means we are further from a world government that closer.

I also think many government are run with some religious influence (or hide under that) and agreeing on ideologies because of this might be incredibly difficult.

From an economic perspective I think there is tremendous value, economies of scale etc.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby MAPearce » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:53 pm

No .....

Trudumb isn't going to last that long .
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 3:55 pm

Yes...it's a point of planetary health as we are a super predator. As it sits now there is no way to bring all 7.4 billion people to a equal level, therefore we need a extinction event to wipe 90% of the world population out. Once we tackle the disease called ageing and we live for centuries, then a one world government could come into effect. If we lived for centuries, the immediate greed of here and now would disappear .
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby CapitalB » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:11 pm

oldtrucker wrote:Yes...it's a point of planetary health as we are a super predator. As it sits now there is no way to bring all 7.4 billion people to a equal level, therefore we need a extinction event to wipe 90% of the world population out. Once we tackle the disease called ageing and we live for centuries, then a one world government could come into effect. If we lived for centuries, the immediate greed of here and now would disappear .


I don't know if I'd go that far. I think if everyone got on the same agenda, stopped working against each other, and really streamlined our entire global economy, distribution network, we could be ok.

As things stand right now humanity produces enough excess food that we could feed the entire planet with some to spare. If we spent a couple of decades putting a really concerted effort into turning africa, south east asia, and south america into first world countries, to the most future proof standards. And really really really actually tried to bring education to every person I think we could make it work.

As things stand now people in the most developed nations on the planet have been electing to disbelieve wide swaths of empirically proven science and instead choose to believe obvious propaganda.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:20 pm

I agree 'capitalb' .Perhaps if we had a global rule of people being able to reproduce themselves once-only once.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby MAPearce » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:31 pm

oldtrucker wrote:I agree 'capitalb' .Perhaps if we had a global rule of people being able to reproduce themselves once-only once.


What would your Imam say about that ???
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:34 pm

MAPearce wrote:
oldtrucker wrote:I agree 'capitalb' .Perhaps if we had a global rule of people being able to reproduce themselves once-only once.


What would your Imam say about that ???


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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:43 pm

I think Trump set back any plans for a world government. Brexit too is gonna help set the powers that be back . Support countries who wish to stand tall and go it alone. I want Canada to join America and Brittain. Shun globalism. Look out for our interests not the interests of farakway
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby Bsuds » Feb 19th, 2018, 4:46 pm

Maybe after we are visited by an Alien race we can forget the petty differences that separate us now.

It will come with time unless we destroy ourselves first.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby MAPearce » Feb 19th, 2018, 5:28 pm

Bsuds wrote:Maybe after we are visited by an Alien race we can forget the petty differences that separate us now.

It will come with time unless we destroy ourselves first.


I'm thinking the aliens are betting on when we'll destroy ourselves AND if they'll be able to inherit anything usable on this planet .
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby Ka-El » Feb 19th, 2018, 7:39 pm

CapitalB wrote:In this era increasingly interconnected networked globalized people and economies do you think that will be a thing?

Many futurists would suggest it is inevitable – assuming (as Bsuds noted) we don’t destroy ourselves first. I would suggest that in 100 to 200 years we will either have made significant progress toward a global government (perhaps based on a system modelling democratic federalism, or maybe even one based on social democracy), or we will have a world that is corporate controlled (picture a polluted, cloud-covered world as portrayed in Bladerunner), perhaps with some illusion of democracy, or we will have devolved to a world of warring tribes (ah yes, nationalism – the precursor to world war).

We already have the technological capabilities for a social democratic system to work, but for it to be successful it would require a much more educated population (not one that would elect the likes of Trump to office, for example). We already have the ability to provide everyone with a minimum grade twelve (or equivalent) education; just as we already have the ability to feed, house and provide health services to everyone on this planet. The only thing stopping us is a lack of political and collective will – oh ya, and the misdirected fear that a more equitable sharing of the planet’s wealth and resources will mean people in the western world will have to give up their 65” flat screen televisions.

People fear change, and conservative forces in the world are especially fearful of it. The current inclinations toward promoting nationalism and isolationism are reflective of that. However, it is already quite clear that nationalism and isolationism will fail, and countries trying to go backwards in time will suffer the economic and political consequences. Evolution, including social, cultural and political evolution, is inevitable, and as Charles Darwin observed, “It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 7:56 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDceLiPLHWQ

In a perfect world 'Ka-El'...I so wish spreading the worlds wealth to be possible.
If we got rid of borders...our way and quality life in the western world could be reduced by as much as 95%. I'm afraid westerners couldn't stomach that.
As harsh as it may sound, our species needs a population reduction down to no more than 1 billion. We either do that or we will complete extinction event number 6.
In the spirit of the original posters question, as harsh as this may sound,we as a species and the health of the planetary environment may have been better off- if, in 1949 to 1953,we executed a first strike on the Soviet Union using our superior nuclear force at the time. No more than 30 low yield nukes would have been used and 'CapitalB',you would have had your one world government.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby Ka-El » Feb 19th, 2018, 8:10 pm

oldtrucker wrote: If we got rid of boarders...our way and quality life in the western world could be reduced by as much as 95%.

Just the misdirected fear I was talking about.
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Re: Do you think we'll ever end up with a world government?

Postby oldtrucker » Feb 19th, 2018, 8:13 pm

Ka-El wrote:
oldtrucker wrote: If we got rid of boarders...our way and quality life in the western world could be reduced by as much as 95%.

Just the misdirected fear I was talking about.


How would you do it?
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